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despite the fact that the older generations are more superstitious. Although I left 10 years ago I have not recall anyone telling me that it is indeed the case. However, not all variation with "four" makes a coherent "curse", if you will. "Four" sounds like death. "Fourteen" ("ten" "four" if you want to be phonetic about it) sounds like must die, and "Twenty four" sounds like prone to die. Instead of skipping floors, it would be harder to find people with high risk jobs (such as emergency service, construction) living in such floors. In a culural clash against "thirteenth floor", said people with high risk jobs prefer "three", "thirteen" and "twenty three". "three" sounds like live, or reproduce, depending on context; "thirteen" sounds like must live, and "twenty three" sounds like likely to live. It should be now clear that the 34th cloor does not contain the same meaning as the thirteenth floor, and I supposed not regarded as some sort of bad omen.
1413:/* begin clip */ Special designations Other buildings will often use names for certain floors to avoid giving a floor on the building the number 13 designation. One such example is the Radisson Hotel in Winnipeg, Manitoba, where the 13th floor is called the Pool floor. Another example is the Sheraton on the Falls in Niagara Falls, Ontario, where the 13th floor consists solely of a restaurant. A third example is the Trump International Hotel and Tower Chicago in Chicago, Illinois, where the 13th floor is the Mezzanine floor. The most famous example is The Hotel Pennsylvania, located at 401 7th Avenue (15 Penn Plaza) in Manhattan, where a CIA Operative U.S. Army bacteriologist Frank Olson fell to his death from the 13th floor on November 28, 1953, falling over 150 feet (46 m) to the sidewalk below. The NYPD investigation ruled his death to be suicide, though some conspiracy theorists hint that the CIA murdered him. /* end clip */
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The article claims that there are lots of buildings in the U.S. without a thirteenth floor, even giving the impression that almost all buildings skip it. Yet I have lived in the U.S. for 23 years and have never once noticed a missing thirteenth floor. Perhaps I've just gone to the wrong buildings,
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I am condensing this section to a fraction of what it was. It was already flagged by someone else a month ago as giving excessive detail about a single example (in a small town in
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BASE jumpers may miscalculate the height of a building, thinking that it's higher than it actually is... however, I don't think that a BASE jumper wouldn't research a jump, and that one extra floor would make much of a difference to when he decides to pull the chord (unless the 13th floor has a
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I noticed that there are headers on this page such as “Origin” and “Methods”, which are misleading when the title is “Thirteenth floor”. Methods of a thirteenth floor? At the very least, the headers should be changed to something like “Origin of omission” and “Methods of replacement”.
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but the article provides no evidence or references to convince me otherwise. It would be nice if somebody could either compile such references, or rewrite the article to say that it is a superstition without lots of evidence. Just because everybody
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height of something like 80 metres). I've never been BASE jumping so I can't make any qualified claims. Any experienced BASE jumpers know whether one floor would make much of a difference? 02:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
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The ride does have 13 floors, the dial shows that it only goes to 12, but if you watch it closely the dial goes beyond 12. Also when on the ride, the numbers on the back of the doors go to 13.(
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