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The entry claimed that Port. "ão" was pronounced as "ow" in "cow". This is not the case, at least in standard Portuguese (both European and Brazilian). The "ow" in "cow" is more like a Portuguese "au", which it isn't even a nasal diphthong. Even if we disregard nasalization, the vowel in "cow" is an
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The names list is far, far too concise. The wave dash looks rather like a tilde. The wavy dash is extended a bit and looks like a W. The wavy line is the vertical form, and looks vaguely like a 3. But apparently, the wave dash is changing to the fullwidth tilde (why don't they just call them equal?).
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301C WAVE DASH @+ * This character as encoded to match JIS C 6226-1978 1-33 "wave dash". Subsequent revisions of the JIS standard and industry practice have settled on JIS 1-33 as being the fullwidth tilde character. x (wavy dash - 3030) x (fullwidth tilde - FF5E)
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in Unicode, but as a two character sequence, not a single pre-composed character. In plain text, that is not an issue but anything that does sorting won't handle it sensibly. I suspect that is one of the many reasons to use
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explains. (Nearly the same technique as was done with typewriters!) Yes, they know that it is not fair that European letterforms were given dedicated codepoints but that was back then but it couldn't go
978: 720:" I'm not sure what the phrase 'completely nasal' means, and it seems superfluous, in any case. This article is not about the phonology of Portuguese. It's about the use of a particular diacritic. 340: 575: 772:. But if I were you, I wouldn't bother. Their position is any arbitrary "letter with diacritic" should be constructed using the codepoint for the letter together with the codepoint for the 903:. I have no idea whether that actually exists in reality but it is certainly doable. Likewise, it should be possible to create a mapping for commodity keyboards that reads 198: 453: 973: 443: 147: 963: 330: 988: 565: 419: 79: 809:
So no doubt you can enlighten us on how that might be done. Which keyboard setting, better still physical keyboard, does that? I won't hold my breath.
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3030 WAVY DASH x (wavy line - 2307) x (wave dash - 301C) 2307 WAVY LINE x (wavy dash - 3030)
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How would adding it to Unicode assist with that? Are you aware of any keyboards with ḿ (U+1E3F), for instance?
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but again I have no idea if such exists. And it may be that the cure is worse then the disease, see next.)
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The diphtongs "ãe", "ão" and "õe" are completely nasal - "ão" is pronounced like the english word "own".
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character URGENTLY in Unicode! It is of great importance for obvious reasons! --
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I asked how you could do that, because I don't believe you can "just type it".
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This is not something that Knowledge controls. You would have to lobby the
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The second statement, that '"ão" is pronounced like the english word
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A dedicated codepoint is not needed: you can just type G̃/g̃.
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in the banner shell. Please resolve this conflict if possible.
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