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Sister in Charge. She embarked almost immediately for the war, on 20 May 1915. She served with 3rd Australian General Hospital on Lemnos Island from 9 August 1915 until 11 January 1916. She then served at Alexandria from January to August 1916, then later at Abbeville, France and in England. As was very common among the nurses, because of their exposure to sick soldiers in crowded hospitals, Burbury was hospitalised several times herself for sickness, including thirty two days in July–August 1917 for what was written in her record as 'influenza', although diagnoses were not often confirmed with laboratory analyses. Sister Burbury embarked for Australia on around 9 August 1919 and was discharged from the Army on 16 January 1920.
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had assumed such a status amongst the members of that force that Lieutenant-General Sir John Monash, GOC Australian Corps, was to record in mid 1918 that "...The badge is highly prized by the individual soldier as the only means of identifying him with his Unit or Service, and is a most powerful factor in esprit de corps and the pride of the soldier in his Regiment .... is a most important factor in the maintenance of discipline and also in training .... organization before and during battle, and reorganization after battle are greatly facilitated .... The loyalty of the Australian soldier to his regimental badge is to be experienced in the Field in order to be fully appreciated . See note
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just a basic table of different patch designs, with particular specialised patches (WWII Commando and Independent Coy, Tobruk patches) noted. That's where it needs to be. Pugarees need to be pulled out into a separate article. The bulk of images can probably be dropped straight into LIST page so they are all still available and together.
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Yeah, I've started work on 1 and 7. I may have already removed some of the images covered under 4 and 5 without a second though; in any case this should be easily (with the caveat that the article is large so depending on your device it might not be that fast) salvageable through the article history.
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Haha yeah, I did go through what was in Commons, not alot when there are 300 AIF and 800 2AIF patches - not adding them all though! And many in the commons are current colour patches, not historical. I might put together 1st Division and create a table then do some random ones for other shapes/colour
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Note. From HQ Australian Corps Letter No. 20/75, 17.7.1918. AWM 25, item 187/4. Lt-Gen. Monash to the Commandant, AIF HQ, London, dealing with the unsatisfactory position regarding the supply of colour patches by the British authorities and their apparent misunderstanding of the importance to the AlF
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tags in what I have checked so far; move some stuff to relevant articles. I kept a rather haphazard but hopefully representative portion of the images which can be trimmed down further. I'll keep working on it over the next few days since this will obviously require a good amount of time... Cheers,
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Introduced in early 1915 by a divisional commander of the A.I.F. as a simple but secure means of identification for units of his own formation, the system had by 1918 spread throughout a force which had expanded to comprise almost seven divisions, with additional corps, army, and L of C units, and
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When I first started working on this page, there was no need to make it as big as it was subsequently made. There was also no need to change it from Unit Colour Patch to Australian Army etc......It needs to be reverted back to basics with sections regarding each country's usage. Originally it had
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3rd Australian General Hospital patch, 1918 version, with ANZAC "A" badge, as worn by Sister Muriel Burbury. From Jericho in Tasmania, when Burbury enlisted on 18 May 1915 she was already a qualified nurse with experience in medical wards, surgical wards and operating theatres, including time as
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It is good to see the article taken back to almost its original form. I would suggest adding some indicative sections for unit tyoes not already included, and "Odds" such as Commando, Tobruk and NGAWW to show how colour patches changed to represent non-traditional usage.
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I probably don't have the energy or time to help too much with this, though, at the moment as I am working on other topics at the moment, I'm sorry. I will try to help with adding the category to the images on Commons, though, when I get a chance. Regards,
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Lots of changes and looking good. I would suggest the that the Independent Coys section be moved to BEFORE the Commando section, and include ALL independent coys. Then mention those units in the other sections as having changed from Independent status.
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G'day, Gjw9999 asked me to offer some opinions about the topic. I have a few ideas about how this topic could be handled going forward, although it appears some of this process has already commenced:
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Sorry for the long delay - had to get ArbCom involved to solve an unfortunate incident. Enough on that - I'll get back to continue and finish this (with suggestions in mind) shortly. Cheers,
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I can't seem to find how to spread images across the page.... I'd like to spread the 1, 2, 3 Bde HQ patches across the page and then drop the Battalion patches in columns below each HQ.
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6 seems related to 7 as the very large images are those that usually also have the very large captions (see the one I posted above in the collapsed section). Cheers,
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Remove most of the images and keep only a few representative ones (a few from each conflict, representing different kind of units); the current amount is merely
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It appears that the Australia content here needs to moved or split to an article on the First Australian Imperial Force or other relevant Australian article.
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after the link to keep me from modifying it, if I keep adding bad data, but formatting bugs should be reported instead. Alternatively, you can add
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G'day, I think that I've fixed this for you (there was a missing line in the html code). Please let me know if there are still issues. Regards,
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I agree. If people want listings of various nations patches, then perhaps they can put them in list articles, not dump their favourites here. (
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I'd just like to hear the opinion of the main contributor of this here (left a message on talk page but so far no reply). Courtesy ping:
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Keep the lead mostly as is (there are some improvements that can be done, but that better wait for this other major problem to be fixed).
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And that's not the least bit; some of the captions are also quite 'insanely' long; often relating related but excessive anecdotes, eg.
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Tried to add a Signals section into 2AIF specifically to display the NGAWW colour Patch as it is an "odd" but couldn't get it to work.
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Given that two of us have already misidentified the subject of the article, perhaps the lead needs to prominently communicate that. (
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Completely agree and fully encourage. I've also boldly updated the title to reflect what this article is about.
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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Also just so you know there are already a whole heap that have been created - they are stored in Commons here
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The current article is, as nicely pointed out, way too large (it's larger than, for eg., the article on the
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Gday - yes I think that is a good plan. There is some information here about how to do these sort of things
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I mean, a regular caption would include only the first sentence (and then, only up to the final comma)...
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Move the various histories of military units / persons to relevant pages, if they are not already there.
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to keep me off the page altogether, but should be used as a last resort. I made the following changes:
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Ok so given how the above is going, I have started with this; I removed most of the <gallery: -->
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Well, there's a start. Have to look through and see if I can widen the columns or centre the table.
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Alternatively you might need to go for a table - see pls here for some guidance on how to do that
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Puggarees should also be shifted to a new article, as this is Unit Colour Patches, not Pugarees.
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I've tried to improve that. Should we also bold the "Australian Army" in the lead, for clarity?
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before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template
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Thanks mate. Been a while since you've had to chase me around fixing my stuff ups. Looks good.
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Aye. You can take a look at the page history to see why it ended up at this specific title...
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See the hatnote I added for clarification. This is not about multiple nations, it is in fact
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Australian Army Medical Corps and Australian Army Nursing Service of the 8th Aust Division
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No need to bold it IMO. Just counted the images - over 1,900 of them. That's insane. (
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If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with
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Move, if appropriate, some of the images to the relevant pages (for example,
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This article needs a more specific title that includes Australia, imo.
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No worries at all, thanks for your efforts on this article. Regards,
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New shapes for unit colour patches and their designs during WW2
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Some Garrison Battalions were assigned to Brigade Headquarters
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I have just added archive links to 2 external links on
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