Talk:Yellow River - Knowledge (XXG)

1795:, and I'm wondering which community is right. While it's only about 65km difference as the crow flies, it's in a different valley, so that translates to a few hundred km of waterways. Following the above link you can see what I mean (local names are used on OSM, so the Yellow river shows up as "黄河", the other waterways in question are w/o names. It's actually a bit tricky to see what's going on, because the streams are not shown when you zoom out. The coordinates do make sense, in that they are within a few metres of a major stream, that is joined by other streams to become a little river, and later joins with another river of similar size that OSM has labelled as 黄河, 264: 359: 338: 200: 254: 233: 447: 2078:(卷28上, p 36A) only "元氏" at the head of the sentence is original, with the remainder annotation, including the word "黃河". I also agree with Wang Niansun that the 黃 in Gaozu's oath of office reads as a later interpolation, and breaks the four character per line pattern, the standard for verse until the other end of the dynasty.It doesn't seem necessary for Duan Yucai to be referring specifically to the geographical treatise of the 910:

would be sediment, while the mass of each m³ of "river" would be 1552 kg, which is about 1.55 times the normal density of water. While this seems highly unusual, I would love to have my suspicions proved wrong, as I think it would be very interesting. Also, I'm hoping that what ever source is found mentions the concentration at some representative part of the river (like the middle of the river downstream of the loess).

849:. The "Yellow River Hydrology Committee" apparently only occurs in the context of this article. The Chinese government web site calls it the "Yellow River Conservancy Committee" and it looks like it uses a different division of the river, but since I could not verify that one way or the other (without spending more time than I have right now), I left the sections as is. Perhaps some one can check out the 651:. At that time, "Jiang Shui" was the name for the Chang Jiang and "He Shui" was the name for the Huang He. In other word, only Chang Jiang can be called "Jiang" and only Huang He can be called "He". Thousandes years later, the meaning of "Jiang" and "He" were generalized and now they can be used for any rivers. But Chang Jiang still holds the name of Jiang and Huang He still has the name of He. 1134:

Mongolia, and I'm certain that not a single "reference" in the English language (hence this is an English encyclopedia) would use non-Chinese languages for the river. Also, do you see any other international Knowledge (XXG) articles on the Yellow River using non-Chinese names (the French version, German version...)? However, if you insist on using alternative names, make it informative.--

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better to go on yet. It is worth noting that we have almost no surviving witnesses for most texts that predate the Song (and block printing), so there exists the possibility that usages of the plain terms 河 and 江 may have been silently disambiguated during the manuscript culture period to 黃河 and 長江 respectively, yielding false positives like the one we're likely seeing in Gaozu's oath.

191: 1072:) are permitted and should be listed in alphabetic order of their respective languages, i.e., (Armenian name1, Belarusian name2, Czech name3). or (ar: name1, be: name2, cs: name3). As an exception to alphabetical order, the local official name should be listed before other alternate names if it differs from a widely accepted English name. 369: 2087:

mark "前志" as the name of a work or not. Qing dynasty annotations are often highly abbreviated, to the point where if Duan Yucai were referring to 漢書地理志上 here what I'd actually expect to see would be 漢書 and nothing more specific.As to the earliest attested usage of the term "黃河", I don't have anything

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An bit more info: The difference corresponds to almost 300km of waterways, with 127km of river incorrectly labelled as the Yellow River, and the remainder w/o a name tag, incorrectly not labelled as the yellow river. While compared to the overall length of the river this may not be much, I think it's

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What guidelines other Wikipedias have is also rather irrelevant for an article on the English wikipedia (though "Gelber Fluss" and "Riviere Jaune" don't really sound like good Chinese either), and the Germans actually do have the Mongolian name. Last not least I don't really know why you reject China

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has several times reverted the insertion of the Mongolian names, giving as reasons "It could be several different rivers you are referring to.", "You'll have to gave a pretty good explanation on the talk page about why the Mongolian name should be put up there.", and "The reference you cited gave the

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I have noticed some problems with organization and redundancy in this article. In particular, the comment about "When the Yellow River runs clear" being equivalent to "When hell freezes over" appears twice, under "Name" and under "History and Culture." What do you guys think, should that be under the

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Jiang in general, is bigger than He. (At least, when it enters the ocean.) The problem is that in these two particular instances, historical naming takes precedence. Huang He was settled around Xi'an and Xiangyang (btw, why does Xi'an have that '?) at which point the river is not quite wide enough

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Is the map correct pertaining to the location of the Luo River? The Knowledge (XXG) page on the Luo River says that it originates in Southwest China flowing through Lushi, Luoning, Yiyang, Luoyang, Yanshi, and joins the Yellow river at Gongyi. I followed the river on Google Earth and it appears to

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Once such a section or paragraph is created, the alternative English or foreign names should not be moved back to the first line. As an exception, a local official name different from a widely accepted English name should be retained in the lead "(Foreign language: Local name; known also by several

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I think what is meant is that if you take a cubic meter of river water and evaporate it you would get 37 kg silt. Likewise for the 920 kg/m, after evaporation you would have 920 kg silt. I did some searching for the source of the 1977 figure, but could not find an accessible source on the internet.

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In the modern Chinese usage, vina is correct: "Jiang" usually is a bigger river than "He". But for the "Chang Jiang" and the "Huang He", they called so also has some historic origins. In ancient China, the rivers were neither called "Jiang" nor "He", but called "Shui". "Shui" literally means water.

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Both Encyclopedia Britannica, the french version of this entry and some research papers I have read give a length of 5464 km. Even more the external links cited for this article says the same. The reporting is not even factually correct so I am tagging the article. Since I'm rather new to editing,

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Of course your second source only gave the name in Mongolian, because it is the Chinese government's Mongolian language website for "China radio international". I don't see how that could become an argument or even reference. Most importantly, just based on common sense, the river does not across

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The intro claims that in 1977, the concentration reached 920 kg/m³. Water has a density near 1000 kg/m³. Assuming that the silt has an average density of about 2500 kg/m³ (it couldn't be too dense or it wouldn't be carried by the current for very long), 36.8% of the volume of each m³ of "river"

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with his perfunctory "前志": I haven't looked into the geographical treatises of the later official histories, but Yan Shigu's annotations may have been incorporated into a standard definition of 元氏 in 常山郡 (Yan Shigu was active at the beginning of the Tang, when a number of official histories were

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for a not really insignificant part of its course, and Mongolians have dwelled on its banks for centuries. Therefore, the name is entirely relevant per the guideline quoted above. In fact, there are still Inner Mongolians who speak Mongolian, and the language is actually official in that region,

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The article desperately needs (1) maps of the various major paths of the river at various points in Chinese history and (2) a map of the changing coastline or at least total accumulation in the historic period. EB 1911 has one city coastal in the Confucian era and ~100 mi. inland by the 20th c.

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Actually now that I'm reading the context in the biography of Zhou Yu (卷54, p 1266), the text referred to as Gaodi's investiture oath also contains 黃 in 黃河, although my copy has "使黃河如帶，太山如礪". I do see this was linked already in the OP. 黃河 appears at least twice more in annotations to 三國志, in

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Chinese loess is the most friable and erodible soil on earth. Yes, Chinese agriculture and Mongolian pastoralism had greater-than-zero effect on the desire of the river to flood its banks, but not any meaningful or noteworthy one. The floods were coming regardless; the man-made part was only

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Alternatively, all alternative names can be moved to and explained in a "Names" or "Etymology" section immediately following the lead, or a special paragraph of the lead; we recommend that this be done if there are at least three alternate names, or there is something notable about the names

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is literally the "yellow river". Since they seem to share no character in common, are there multiple Chinese characters that are all best translated as river in English or are we just fudging the translations somewhat... in which case the qualification of said translations as "literal" is

1282:” or "Golden River". Presumably that's a transcription of "Алтан Гол", but maybe it's a peculiar Classical Mongolian form since Google mostly returns nonsense. In any case, we should include it and add redirects once we have a good source for the actual Mongolian form of the name. — 1186:), there are Mongolian schools etc.) so that makes it all the more relevant, especially since the translation is rather non-trivial. Your point about references in English is completely irrelevant here, even then it's worth pointing out that most English-language references actually 2045:

Great work spotting out the line 東至堂陽入黃河. The 漢書地理志 cited by 李传军 (2004) was the edition published by 中華書局 in 1960. Looking at the evidence you provided, the line 東至堂陽入黃河 which 李传军 (2004) saw in the 中華書局 (1960) edition was very likely to be the annotated version by 顏師古 in the 7th

2053:如帶，泰山若厲，國以永存，爰及苗裔, is also disputed. 李传军 (2004) was fair to include the critique made by 王念孫, a Qing dynasty philologist, who said the original work in the 1st century likely did not have the word 黃 in the line; it was likely added later on to make the phrase more rhythmic. -- 1743:

So the statement makes no sense coming or going. Is it just something misremembered from history books explaining why the river repeatedly flooded? or is it an accurate description of the present situation based on less than 200 years of deposition and modern earthworks and

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use a name in a non-Chinese language - "Yellow river" does not sound particularly Chinese, does it? I have come across an English language reference for Shar mörön and a German language one that at least mentions Hatan gol (the latter was a german version of

1195:'s "Mongolia, The Tangut Country and the Solitudes of Northern Tibet", so I guess it counts too) but this is also irrelevant here. What matters is that Mongolians traditionally live by this river, and therefore the Mongolian name is relevant to this article. 2107:'s 魏氏春秋, and one in the 獻帝記 imperial daybook. So the usage does seem to be attested to the Later Han. Whether or not it's attested to the early Former Han (as would be the case if Gaozu's oath of investiture is authentic) seems to be an open question. 510:

Wang, Houjie, Zuosheng Yang et coll. "Interannual and seasonal variation of the Huanghe (Yellow River) water discharge over the past 50 years: ::Connections to impacts from ENSO events and dams." Global and Planetary Change In Press, Corrected Proof,

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I've added time units which I presume are annual flows, which is the standard for discussing river silt loads (high seasonal flow variations in many rivers, including this one, render a daily number as misleading). I'll remove the cleanup tag.

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The first paragraph doesn't make sense. It claims this is the second longest river in Asia - following two other rivers. Following two other rivers would possibly make it the third longest but definitely not the second longest.

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There are two versions on the length of the river. In this page it is 5500 km long and in the river page it is 4,350 km long. Which one is correct? If it is 5500 km then it suppose to be the sixth longest river in the world. -

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The article says that the river was found by I. P. Freely, but gives no citation. Also, it would be nice to have a short biography of such an important personage as Mr/Ms Freely in order for the encyclopedia to be complete.

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The section on lower reaches should split off with a delta+estuary+outflow zone in the sea section. The section on upper reaches should similarly be split with a specific section on the headwaters and sources.

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the "pretty good explanation" for including the Mongolian name was already given in one of the recent edit summaries - literally "does the river flow through Inner Mongolia or not?" - the answer, is, of course,

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also cited the length to be about 5,464 km. The sources seems to concur that the length is about more than 5,000 km in length. Does that mean the article that cited the length as 4,845 km (3,395 mi) inaccurate?

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Over a period of 3-4,000 years - a very vague and lengthy period - it is wrong to state that there was the precise number of "1,593" floods. It would be more appropriate to say approximately 1,500 floods.

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the existence of the apostrophe in xi'an is to identify it as a two syllable name, as distinct from the (very) common single syllable xian. If written with Chinese characters, the distinction is obvious.--

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are relevant to this article. The Mongolian name, on the other hand, is used by one of the peoples who traditionally dwell by the river (for some hundreds of years, anyway), and, as mentioned above, the

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It would be useful to show a context map. For people not familiar with the municipal geography of China, it's hard to see from the existing map that this river flows across half of the country. --

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compiled in a burst of activity lasting only a few decades). Duan Yucai may just be referring to "previous treatises", and it would be interesting to see whether the punctuators of the modern

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Generally speaking,rivers in northern China expect for those are part of Amur River system are called“he”,while those are in southern China or are part of Amur River system is called “jiang”.

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to be called a Jiang. On the other hand, the Yangtze was settled more in the east (Shanghai area), where it was wider. So it rated a Jiang. At least, that's how it was explained to me. -

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In northern China, the Huanghe (Yellow River) is a major source of freshwater (...) for a total of 5464 km before debouching into the Bohai Sea, draining a basin area of about 752,000 km2

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The characteristics section needs cleanup. In particular, the silt statistics need units of tons per some unit time. The section is somewhat vague in other places and needs citations.

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Stated in the intro to be the second longest river in Asia, and 6th longest in world. The list of longest rivers has Nile, Amazon, Yangtse, Mississippi, Yenisei and Huang He 6th.

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is the confluence in question. OSM has the Yellow river as the one coming from the east, wikipedia's coordinates correspond to the one from the south. Anyone have any info?

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By any normal definition, Yenisei River system is in Asia and therefore Huang He would be 6th longest in the world and THIRD longest in Asia, behind Yangtse and Yenisei.

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In this case, the redundant list of the names in the article's first line should be replaced by a link to the section phrased, for example: "(known also by several

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The compound noun 黃河 only appears once in "Vol. 16 - Table of Meritorious Officials during the reigns of Emperors Gao & Hui, Empress Gao, & Emperor Wen"

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I've been editing the area around the Yellow River headwaters over on Openstreetmap, and noticed that the location of the source of the river is different than

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name of Yellow River/Huang He in more than 50 languages; you can include all of them in the article if you like. But ask consensus on the talk page first.".

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the lower course of the river is less than 200 years old and the deposition before that time has nothing whatsoever to do with the current stream.

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The article claims that the deposition of two millennia have made the riverbed meters higher than the surrounding land on its lower courses.

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Is this a second, lesser known three gorges dam on this river? The link goes to the big one on the Chang Jiang that was recently completed.

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Proper sampling would require some sophistication. Water in a quiet backwater might contain less silt than the average, for example.

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The single best way to solve "naming problem" is through consensus. You should wait for other users to comment on the naming issue.

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page on the Yellow River Conservancy Committee website to figure out whether the division is the same as that given in the article.

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changed course, or Tài Mountain were ground down, if the state is still preserved, then your descendants will continue.

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contributed meaningfully to erosion, but after an era when the river was controlled enough that flooding has been far

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There is no need for templates or for a conensus - the guidelines are very clear. Btw. I assume you are familiar with

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Chinese efforts to control the river far predate the imperial era, which itself began well over 2000 years ago; but

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established the usage of this page as American English. Kindly maintain it consistently pending a new consensus. —

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Beijing is not on the coast, it is 170 km inland. Where it is presently indicated should be Tientsin. Thanks,

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come from the Southwest. I see it at Luoyang and farther to the Southwest at the Guxian Dam/Reservoir. Thanks.

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is colored azure like the commentaries by Yan Shigu et al., making me suspect that it might not be authentic.

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Radio International as a source, they probaby should know best what the name of the river is, shouldn't they?

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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has even named on of those provincial-level administrative subdivisions that the river flows through

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Does the "listen" link refer to Cantosese, Mandarin, or there's no difference in pronunciation here?

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As such, I will be removing the sentence. If a real reference exists, feel free to add it back.

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This one is called “Sanmenxia” dam,which was completed in 1956,but turned out to be a disaster.

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It's also believed to have been formed after a Chinese holiday called "Drink until you Pop Day".

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Is our date wrong here? is that article's date wrong? or is the link just entirely mistaken? —

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I think it is pretty common sense that not all (indeed, very few) of the 50 languages given in

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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6VF0-4JJ87YF-2/2/5615c81719630e37af54d0ca73accc4b

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For examples with river names given in more than one language for certain countries, look to

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I made a number of changes to make the text more readable. I also made the ranking match the

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The drop percentage is listed as 0.01% in the upper reaches - surely this should be 0.1%?

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The Vietnamese version of this article gives 5,463 km as the river's length, by the way. –

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By M. H. A. Hassan, Farouk. El-Baz, Farouk El-Bax at page 17 there is a statement that at

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feel free to put something more appropriate but the point is, this article needs review.

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inattention to the needful levee and diking system. (Some massive modern projects

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Therefore, I am restoring my version now. The relevant guidelines can be found at

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It was not diffcult at all to find authorative sources for the Mongolian names.

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I found 10 of the changes in the river flow and thier dates. Here's the link:

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is an autonomous region within the modern day mainland China, as compared to

1840:..that we're linking that text to an article about a flood a decade later? 1787:

What is the source for the coordinates of the river's source in the infobox?

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The average is "37 kg of sediment per cu m of water at the present time"

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I removed the following text, which I'm pretty sure was silly vandalism:

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You're entirely right. Not sure why this hasn't been corrected before.

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used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place

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40 meters is too high for a river. I guess it should be forty feet.

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Among the deadliest were the 1332–33 flood during the Yuan dynasty

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Making a separate naming template could also resolve the issue.--

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After investigating with Google, I believe it is a scatological

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Did you even read what I wrote above? The river flows through

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There still some rivers has an ancient name with "Shui", e.g,

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In the 中華文化網 (chinaculture.org ?) version at guoxue123.com

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It's probably just an accident of the British bias in the

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is definitely commentary. As is visible in a scan of the

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His enfeoffment and ennoblement oath reads: 'Even if the

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Chizao Hall's Siku Quanshu Huiyao version 《摛藻堂四庫全書薈要》本

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The map of the Yellow River is incorrectly altered.

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Chizao Hall's Siku Quanshu Huiyao version 《摛藻堂四庫全書薈要》本

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template, but the current page is a bit wobbly. Fwiw,

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http://www.cis.umassd.edu/~gleung/geofo/geogren.html

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