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out of favor from 600BCE-200CE. I've read entries on Knowledge of at least one Jewish scholars who did learn Greek. Greek and Aramaic were the primary government languages. Until Rome took over around 20 CE??? Can you really imagine Jewish communities never having government contact? Someone knew Greek. And the most likely people would be the scholars. Jewish math systems could not even count grains of rice accurately. They would have had to have learned Egyptian, Aramaic, or Greek mathematical systems. And from 320BCE forward Greece seemed to control trade with Egypt. So Greek math and science seems more and more likely if there was a scholar who was Jewish in faith then he knew Greek in science, some level of fluency would be needed.
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How do you know that reference wasn't added to the Torah at a later time, or referred to just one of the rabbinic communities? Not all Jews had the same Talmud, just as not all Jews had the same Torah translation, Syriac, Samaritan, Babylonian, Aramaic (Proto-Hebrew), Palestinian Aramaic. Hebrew fell
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Relating Pandera to Pandora requires a showing that the people referring to Pandera have a familiarity with Greek mythology. Greek was prohibited reading among Jews for some time, which Talmud records. It would require a showing why people concerned with Jewish law, history and culture would bother
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I am curious if the Editors have read the original texts quoted in the Talmud? I'm sure I could grab a copy, but that the Aramaic is not present in the article seems to be a glaring omission. Afterall, a translation is already an intepretation. Also, if Pandera is spelled פנדרה/פנדרא or similar,
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that "Jeshu the Nazarene" is the same "Jeshu the Nazarene" found in Tertullus' accusation of Paul in the Book of Acts, and various other sources (for obvious reasons Jesus of Nazareth is never referred to as Anointed/Christ/Messiah in Jewish sources) and (2) this article
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perhaps its a suggestion to Pandora? Its uncommon for someone to be referred to as son/daughter or a female, but here the meaning would be loaded... if there is any basis for that interpretation...
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I'm afraid that this article remains a fringe view contradicting the other article which represents academic unanimity. At some point it needs to be fixed. Who are the editors prepared to do that?
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43a), and it doesn't say anything like that... I think that the next paragraph is a mistake and should be removed or someone should put another source.. "According to the
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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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that "Jeshu the Nazarene" in the Talmud is the same "Jeshu the Nazarene" as Tertullus', and arguing the existence of another
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Meaning of Pandera and Lack of Hebrew/Aramaic Original Text Quotations
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per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Yeshu", and name article consistency with
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43a) the name is generally believed to be an acronym for י =
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Please place new discussions at the bottom of the talk page.
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should attract editors who are neutral about the history.
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to refer to a particular character from Greek mythology.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
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