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are different. Both words translate to "conservative" in English, but the former is not conservative as an ideology. The modern Chinese Communist Party is more of Chiang Kai-shek's conservatism than Soviet-style communism. That's why it is called neoconservatism. The Red Guard's conservatism is orthodox Maoism, which has nothing to do with current 'neoconservatism' in China. However,
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KMT was not a solidly right-wing party during mainland's rule and was more of a big tent. It had the Wuhan
Nationalist government, and during Sun Yat-sen's leadership, many of the communists were KMT members. Even Chiang Kai-shek was a socialist at first. Therefore, the KMT does not represent China's
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Except this template isn't about China generally. If your image choice is based on one part of your topic, that's poor image selection, especially when the other part is just as important. If you selected a profile image for your username, you wouldn't use just a checkmark to symbolize "pro", right?
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because nobody would give you that authority to decide and even if they did, your template is on
Conservatism in China, not China generally. The image is wholly irrelevant, which baffles me because I assumed you chose it based on a perceived connection you had between the image and your topic, but
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Thank you for putting forward your opinion. However, it is also incorrect that 0% of the anti-communist liberals are linked to conservatives. Some of them have the word "conservative" or "conservatism" in their
English and/or Chinese articles. So, adding them to the template will not be WP:SYNTH.
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But I don't want any more conflict. Just as 'Liberalism US' template and 'Modern liberalism US' template exist separately. I will separate 'Conservatism in China' template and 'Neoconservatism in China' template. Instead of removing CCP from 'Conservatism in China' template, I will add CCP from
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which links a customized version of the Qing dynasty Azure dragon symbol with
Chinese conservatism in general. You reference the Chinese Knowledge (XXG) often in your edit summaries, but just because another WikiProject, or even within the same WikiProject, i.e. the English Knowledge (XXG), has
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Advocating for capitalism and liberal democracy does not mean conservatism. In
Chinese Knowledge (XXG), articles relating to the Chinese Communist Party (since the 1990s) are linked to conservatism, but anti-communist liberals are not linked to conservatives.
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Guotaian is overly mechanical and formalistic. If the CCP officially advocates communism, but "pro-Beijing camp" is
Chinese conservative, why is the CCP irrelevant to Chinese conservatism? There are countless sources that describe the CCP itself as
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Thank you. There is not a single word "conservative" or "conservatism" in
Knowledge (XXG) articles like Chinese Communist Party and China Times. So, adding these articles related to the CCP which mentions no conservatism to this template is weird.
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something one way does not mean it should be that way across the board, unless a consensus (which is often contained within WikiProjects) has been established to do so. If citing other parts of
Knowledge (XXG) was valid (it isn't, see
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claimed himself to be a conservative or neo-authoritarian, and had an important influence on China's ideological history. In addition, there are scholars who describe the
Chinese Communist Party as "conservative." These are not WP:OR.
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KMT Emblem are used not only in KMT, but also in
Taiwanese flags and other official symbols (even when the DPP was in power). In addition, the current "Conservatism in China" template is used in pro-CCP conservative articles such as
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Information including the inclusion of the CCP and some other organizations are irrelevant to the discussion of 'conservatism in china'. Some information can be kept but those that doesn't have full consensus should be removed.
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I've been thinking about this issue for a long time. However, CCP should also be included in the template. While the CCP itself is not a conservative, the neo-cons within the CCP play a key role in modern Chinese conservatism.
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The reason why I'm challenging your use of a Chinese dragon image, which was custom-made and has no official or even unofficial use, is because it seems to me that you picked it purely for decorative reasons, which is against
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It's too early. The definition of conservatism in the Chinese context is not that clear-cut a thing, and the current template is missing at least the cultural conservatism of the 1990s (with only one entry for the
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I am challenging your unsourced cosmetic choice and removing it. Provide a reliable source for your choice, as my current opinion is that you are fabricating a connection that does not exist.
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For an article to be considered part of a series in conservatism in China, it should have high-quality sources and contextual support for that claim. Going through
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conservatism. In Taiwan today, national identity politics โ whether 'Chinese' or 'Taiwanese' โ takes precedence over โ 'conservative' or 'progressive' โ ideology.
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Several editors have pointed out that you rely on original research too much, so simply switching from conservatism to neoconservatism would not address that.
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I see no reason why an emblem/image is needed at all. A complex topic such as "Conservatism in China" is in no need of a decorative image which does not
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I don't think there are any conservatives among anti-communist liberals. Anti-communist liberals some are conservatives and some are non-conservatives.
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company. However, I will erase it by reflecting your claim. In the future, you can delete the text that you see as WP:OR yourself. Thanks.
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are classical examples of conservatism. Thereโs nothing controversial included; everything can be supported by reliable sources.
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that equates the two. Opposing the Chinese Communist Party does not necessarily mean they are conservatives.
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