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accessdate can provide an indication that the source content might have changed since it was cited. A source may be archived on a number of different dates, and these archival copies may differ from one another bacause of change over time in the source content. An archive date indicates which archival copy was used, and the archive probably supports access to copies archived on earlier and/or later dates. --

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marks or italicize a title or name. The fact that web sites are used to convey information which is also in other form (such as a web version of a newspaper story) means that any kind of citation has to also support a URL. By using the title as the text for a URL link, for a citation to material which is only on a web site we can simply omit the unused fields such as page number. (

7869: 4568: 1349:. Now I found that this Template:Citation does not cover videos or Asian format. I would like you to make this Template:Citation unified for all the resources if possible. Would you consider it? Asian format is not so important for you guys but it video would be importat. Now some of the problem of Asian format is that we do not use 4100:{{citation | last = Yvon Villarceau | first = Antoine Joseph François | author-link = Yvon Villarceau | title = Théorème sur le tore | journal = Nouvelles Annales de Mathématiques | volume = 7 | series = Série 1 | pages = 345–347 | publisher = Gauthier-Villars | place = Paris | date = 1848 | oclc = 2449182 }} 2950:| journal=The Popular Science Monthly | title=Finding the Way At Sea | volume = III | year=1873 | date=October, 1873 | pages=722 | last = Proctor | first = R. A. | publisher=D. Appleton and Company | location=New York | url=http://books.google.com/books?id=TXsKAAAAIAAJ&printsec=titlepage#PPA721 | accessdate=2007-08-02 }} 2331:

for papers by somebody called, say, Akira Watanabe, and happen to think "Akira" is the proper search term because it would be Watanabe Akira in Japanese style. Western style would be Watanabe, Akira, and in PubMed it would be Watanabe A. For this reason, I also try to give full names, not just initials, whenever possible.

7596:. Since the possibility of recalling the actual page as of that date exists, it is a valid field. Books have date of publication and edition name as part of the citation in any major stylesheet (APA, MLA, Harvard, Turabian, etc.) That, with the page number, is sufficient to go to an archive such as the 6687:

Would it be possible to add an argument called "notes" or something similar in the template? For example, I'm citing a book that was published in the US under titleX. It was originally published under a different name (titleY) in the UK. So it would be nice to be able to note this in the citation.

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for where that came from) is another valuable feature. Multiple sub-notes, comments as it were by the hanging editor might be useful (n1=, n2=, n3=, n4=) For example: n1=a second quotation (than quote=), n2=context of 1st privy council meetings and quote from there is unclear as to whether the letter

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They should only show up when there is no title, and in printed versions of the citations (except in IE, which is too buggy). Angle brackets around urls is a fairly standard citation convention. Usually, though, the url is hidden in a link. If there is consensus, we could change this, but I think the

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That's a good point, and we should edit the css styles so that the DOI shows up when the article is printed. That's a little tricky, so I'm looking into that. Another issue is that probably, the DOI should correspond to the URL, but probably not the IncludedWorkURL. In other words, if there is a DOI,

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When there are four or more authors, only the first three are shown. What are we trying to save by this abbreviation? Is there any way to force a longer author list to be visible? Also, how are we supposed to format a name like "Harry B. Hunt, III"? using "last = Hunt, III" works but then you have to

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done that way, and in fact almost all of the journals in my field use a "Surname, Initials" format for every author. My personal opinion is that it's better (easier to read) if the ordering is consistent. Since you need the surname first for the leading author, you put up with having it first for all

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One more suggestion: when a citation has all three of url=, contribution=, and title=, the url link is currently placed on the title; I think in that case it would be better placed on the contribution. I am thinking here e.g. of conference proceedings papers, copies of which are often linked from the

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and the quote outside it as part of the same reference. All that putting it inside would accomplish would be to save you from typing some quote marks at the expense of typing |quote= instead. How would this be helpful? As for harv, I could imagine it helping in harv since you probably want the quote

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Sorry to be draconian, but this must be consistent across all the citation templates. Since all of the other citation templates wikilink the accessdate (so that user date preferences take effect), I have changed this template to do the same. If you would like accessdates to not be wikilinked, please

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The template's a vintage from those days when WP was mainly unreferenced and most of the refs were textbooks with few authors/editors, and not scientific papers with perhaps 10 or more authors, online abstracts and fulltexts, DOIs, PMIDs, internal links, external links, etc. "We do not have the same

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It should not be necessary to maintain numerous differences between different kinds of citations merely because the sources are in different types of media. Books, journals, and newspapers can be handled in the same way. We don't have to precisely follow existing standards of when to use quotation

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set of templates are the most complicated on Knowledge. I've tried to make it as easy as possible for other editors to change and experiment, however. For each of the templates, there is a "/testing" subpage for testing, and that's how I've been testing things. I then have a subpage on my userpage

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I had thought of including a translator function, but I wasn't sure the best way to cite the translator. Your example seems a bit redundant, because the author is repeated twice. I'm not sure how valuable it is to incorporate full bibliographical information on the source of the translation into the

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The first two clauses of that sentence are both specious and illogical (in case you didn't know, a bot cannot infer context). And the third clause is is not only based on a faulty premise, but also fails to consider that WP would be no more "massively vulnerable" than if the principle pages were to

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Actually, the code is there to generate COinS, but I turned it off a while ago, since it was causing some template limit problems for a couple of pages that have a very large number of citations. We might want to try re-enabling it, because I found a work-around for those particular pages. I'm not

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I personally dislike "link overloading" (as in, does anyone care what the article for an accessdate says?), but that is nonetheless probably the right way to go. Otherwise, people would begin making their own wikilinks, rendering the template powerless to act if it ever becomes necessary to change

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There are a number of gotchas that the average 'pedian wouldn't be aware of. For example, that for a TV news broadcast the producer is the one that appears in the first field (and not, for example, "MacNeil, Robert & Jim Lehrer"). But for film (irrespective of length or medium), director comes

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that there's not much utility in having the retrieval date linked. (Does anyone really care what else was going on coincident with SV Revolution reading about the Battle of Barrosa? If not, why else have the link?) And linking the date adds an extra level of complexity (i.e. potential problems) in

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When there's a DOI for a journal article, it typically resolves to a web page corresponding to that article. In the event of no specific URL being provided, would it be sensible to use the dx.doi.org resolver as the URL and provide an inline link on the article title (and then not add the separate

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It's truly mixed (and confusing), but for the sake of consistency, I do it the way Rjw62 discussed (family name always first). This is especially important if you have East Asian or Hungarian names which have it the other way around in everyday use. For example PubMed will fail you when you search

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According to the first line of the documentation this template is supposed to be useful for citing web sites. The parameter names, however, are specialized for books and journals. And even if I force a web site reference into one of those models by faking the parameter names, I don’t get the right

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I'm trying to cite a book that was published in year XXXb but authored in year XXXa. It is the 3rd printing of the 2nd edition of the book. Which year should I use? Is it possible to somehow note that this is the 3rd printing or does it not matter if it is still the 2nd edition of the book? I

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both of those examples need source citations, though, because they are quotes. Also, (1) articles with separate Notes and References sections are rare (articles with guideline-compliant content in Notes and References sections even rarer). (2) setting up separate Notes and References sections is

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I've also seen situations where a source was briefly paraphrased inline and quoted at some length in a sourced footnote to support the paraphrase. The sourcing info in the footnote containing the quote might be a page-numbered reference to a work fully cited in a Bibliography section. (something

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After a diatribe like that, I hesitate to add fuel to the fire, but I will answer your "c)". An "access date" is the electronic equivalent of an "edition" - in fact, you could reasonably replace {{Citation ... |url=http://www.example.org/banana.html |accessdate=2008- 01-01}} with {{Citation ...

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This is the reason I thought my readdition of the editprotected template was inappropriate (see edit history), as I figured there may be some discussion of it. Why have the semi-colons at the end of the references in B-of-B article? Because it's grammatical to end entries in a list with a ';',

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I'd still think that it would've been desirable to have consistency between these templates, as I gather this one is supposed to be a kind of 'one-stop shop' to emulate those other, more specialised, ones. Still, take your point that it would be a pain to retrofit if others have already manually

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in a context where one doesn't want to finish the sentence, unlike the other citation templates. It's not so hard to add the period manually, is it? In any case, changing the template now would mean going through and removing all the periods following the template in its current usage, a painful

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That said, if its ok with you and the other savvy people who maintain this template, and if someone helps with collecting (formatted) examples with which to work with, I'm willing to write the documentation that would make non-print (and "special" print) media supportable too. Determining how to

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My field is fluid dynamics, and I was only looking at Journals that use Harvard (author-year) style citations. (In any case Journals that consistently use "Initials, Surname" are surely irrelevant to this discussion.) In the pile of papers I've got in front of me, the only one that did "Surname,

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Commenting from the sidelines, I agree with points #1 and #2, though actual practice in WP articles seem to only rarely follow this. #3 is a good illustration of one article with inline quotes having supporting sources cited so that the part of the source supporting particular quotes is easy to

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You raise a good point and one of the comments left on my talk page shows that it does indeed confuse some people. The disadvantage is that the DOI is no longer visible, though it can still be found in the URL. I'm not sure that the number by itself is very useful, so I'm inclined to agree with

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the period is not included in this template because there are many instances where you might want to include more information at the end of the citation than the template provides, such as alternate web addresses, etc. The best practice, anyway, would be to put these attributes in the <cite:

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section says, "Current and former postal codes and abbreviations – such as TX for Texas, Calif. for California, Yorks for Yorkshire – should not be used to stand in for the full names in normal text.". However, that speaks of normal text. A citation in a footnote is probably a special case. --

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I don't see how that argues against my suggestion of another field for proper formatting of some names. Editors would only have to know about it on the rare occasion that they run into one of those names, so it wouldn't impede editability. If you're arguing against the existence of this whole

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You ask rhetorically above: "Why do only electronic sources need an access-date? And what purpose does this have?" Some online sources are not dated. Also, online sources may change and may have an indication of when they were last updated (this varies from one online source to another). An

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Would it be so hard to add a "suffix" field? first=Harry B.|last=Hunt|suffix=III. BibTeX has one. As for "et al", I am not talking about what goes into the Harvard cite, but what goes into the formatted reference itself. We do not have the same conciseness constraints that paper journals do.

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Most, if not all, of the other templates do wikilink the accessdate. I hadn't noticed that this had changed until an FA reviewer complained that half of my citations had wikilinks and the other half (the ones that used this template) didn't. If you could change it back, that would be very

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Knowledge naming standards prefer lowercase except where necessary. Readers do not see parameter names so grammatical rules do not need to be followed. Using only lowercase also eliminates trying to memorize whether a parameter is publishyear, Publishyear, PublishYear, or publishYear.

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browser. There are about 800 or so articles using the Harvard reference template, and the process could be automated. Until all usages of the Harvard reference template are converted, however, the old template should continue to function. It's all a matter of renaming parameter values.

7502:|url=http://www.example.org/banana.html |edition=as of 2008-01-01}} and you would be completely correct. I assume it is obvious that there is value in differentiating between the version of a source that was used and other versions that were not. If not, there would be no need for 7090:

Having seen no response, I ask if anyone can point me to documentation on template internals. I've previously seen a page on editing templates, but can't recall its name and find it at the moment. I've done a bit of template coding and I can take a whack at this in my userspace, but

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Yes, normally a full citation of the original work is excessive. I did it here for two reasons: (1) I did not know how to include the name of the translator in the main citation, and (1) many international Knowledge readers may find it more convenient to consult the German-language

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point taken. I recall with some nostalgia the early unix tools, each of which did one thing well and worked well in combination with other tools. A decade or so ago when I stopped doing active software work, though, those tools had largely gone out of fashion. Heck, even I used

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and all the other myriad templates aren't always consistent with each other. I've been fairly conservative about adding parameters, because once a parameter is added, we're pretty much stuck with it, because removing it from the template would cause problems with lots of pages.

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look yucky, with the period followed by semi-colon. Hey ho - can't please all of the people all of the time, although the template documentation implies that the trailing punctuation isn't provided by the template, and it's only the new incarnation of accessdate that does it.

1640:, the period is not included in this template, so we cannot put it after the period. Perhaps this was a mistake (I think so), but to fix it requires us to go to all the articles using the template, look whether they add a period after the template, and if yes, remove it. -- 1979:

I see. I was confused into thinking it didn't handle doi at all, because the article I was using as a test case also had an id. What it still doesn't handle is mixing id and doi in the same citation. Both doi and id, supplied, but as of now the template only shows the id:

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template, breaking existing uses. And some well-meaning admin has protected it so I can't fix it. (I have steadfastly refused to involve myself in admin distractions.) The issue involves "location", "place", and "publication-place". Usage was inconsistent between the

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Thanks. However I'm still seeing the same problem when citing a contribution to a book (rather than a journal). The two "Bernard Lewis" examples on the main page both give the pages as "719-720", but this doesn't appear in the output. Thanks again for your help!

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to be encapsulated into the template rather than passed outside of that, arguably at greater risk thereby of becoming separated in subsequent edits. The whole area of parameter compatibility between citation templates often used in place of one another (e.g.,

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is the description of the source material, while references are the way the sources are referred to. If citing an entire book (with no specific page numbers) there often is a single citation in the article, while there may be many references to that source.

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template. If the full info about the original book is important, it would probably be better to just use two templates, as in your example. In normal cases, I think the important information would likely be the translator's name (e.g., new parameters called

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Following that to its logical consequence, I infer that you would favor a bot which replaced all existing links with archived versions of those links, making WP massively vulnerable if the archive should become unavailable for whatever unforseen reason. --

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from media (broadcasts, documentaries, videos) or for writing about fiction, or reference in a book, the template is useless as it has no quotation capability. A trailing free notes feature (that displays--see the discussion ongoing at: Citation templates

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I'm not entirely happy with the "at xx–yy" formatting of pages in book contributions. It's not obvious that it refers to page numbers, and I think it should go before rather than after any doi, id, etc that refers to the contribution. Here's an example:

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the year=, publisher=, isbn= etc field is always for the copy you hold, not for the original. A singular exception is for a facsimile reprint of an authoritative edition (i.e. page numbers match, and revisions - if any - are clearly marked as such). --

6450:(outdent) scratch that #urlencode stuff. It's not compatible with what is output by wikicode parser, which converts %NN values to .NN values. #Replace does not appear to be enabled on .en, otherwise that would potentially have been a workaround too. -- 3217:

displays on most other citation templates depends on the user's preference settings. In your case, it's apparently "]-]". In mine, it's "] ]". That's the reason these dates are wikilinked - for the prefered rendering, not for the links themselves.

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I have also noticed that this template doesn't handle the accessdate parameter in exactly the same way as the other citation templates I've tried handle them. It doesn't link them to the year and month. Below, I have tried the same citation with the

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they are added to the template, especially when they add ugly extraneous spaces. I'm not necessarily opposed to adding the feature, but if we keep it, we need to find a way to get rid of the non-breaking space. Moreover, this coding should be done at

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and find the exact source. Magazines have version and issue numbers, which together with the page numbers allows for exact specification. In general, the internet - being fluid -- cannot be pinpointed with such accuracy, but the existence of the

7759:) parameters, with both potentially needing to be retrieved from archives. Reporting both archive and original urls for both of these introduces possibly-distracting clutter to the citation, and perhaps that is an issue worthy of discussion. 3716:

Markup: *{{citation|last=Elkies|first=N. D.|authorlink=Noam Elkies|contribution=Shimura curve computations|title=Algorithmic Number Theory: Third International Symposium, ANTS-III|publisher=Springer-Verlag, Lecture Notes in Computer Science

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about it. (1) Citations provide sources which (hopefully) support assertions. Cited sources often also provide additional detail. (2) I don't believe this request to be superfluous. Actually, I thought the need would be obvious, once

4987:, actually) would be a good thing just in the interests of compatibility with other citation templates often seen used interchangeably with it (interchangeably except for the sometimes-encountered parameter incompatibilities, that is). 5094:

For material that can't be placed inline (long-ish quotations or otherwise), its far more elegant to put these sentences in notes (as in notes, not ref-like notes) instead of mucking up the references (in your example that would be a

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was formatted in a way that could be wikilinked. That seems less robust and user friendly. But if people are comfortable with it, I'm fine with changing it back. It's not that big a deal, especially if other templates do it that way.

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I made this change. This is now the default behavior when there is a contribution but no contribution-url. The link will be on the title of the contribution, not the title of the collective work. Otherwise, everything stays the same.

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element. That's where it would should go based on standard xhtml coding practices. Do any of the CoInS tools look in the cite element, or are they blind everywhere other than spans? Alternatively, we could put one giant span element

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How do you cite quarterly magazines? For example, the Winter 2005 issue of AI Magazine. Same question for bi-monthly magazines, e.g.: January-February. Should I use the "date" field? Will this mess up Harvard Citations? ----

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COinS tags were recently added to the template. I'm not sure what value these have, and they add a huge amount of markup overhead, so I'm removing them until we have a discussion here on whether or not they should be included.

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it works as none of my articles using this template seem to have broken and Zotero seems to import the references. But I could be wrong: they could be incomplete, incorrect, or somehow subtly broken. So review is appreciated.

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I hope I do not disturb here (as this is still experimental), but I would prefer lowercase too. It's just simpler and faster to write. Less likely to get written wrong. BTW: Good idea to make the year parameter required! –

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I would specify parameters publication-date=(the publication date), date=(the authorship date), and edition=2nd edition. If the printing matters for some reason, that info can be added after the closing curly-braces. --

5423:. I've suggested that there should be some consistency across all citation templates: either all the templates should use the abbreviations, or they should be omitted for all of them. See the discussion taking place at " 749:"These examples of citation within the text are based on related citation template Template:Harvard citation, which automatically creates a one-directional link to the first matching Harvard reference on the same page:" 5090:

s are way too often misused for shoving things off to the side. Not just for quotations, even for explanations! But just because a practice is popular or fashionable, does not mean that that practice is also a good

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Yes. Co-authors are always cited that way. The only reason we do last name, first name is for alphabetization purposes. That's a moot point for co-authors after the first, so their names are rendered normally.

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Hi, I've created a template for adding to the tops of pages where rumor may regularly be posted without any citation. My Template is designed to politely caution editors to provide citations, and offers links to

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I was under the impression that this template did not use the abbreviations "p." or "pp." when the "page/pages" parameter was used – in other words, only the page numbers show up. The situation is the same for

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is used inline and in the References, the full list is almost always given. In some (rare) cases, even full-ref author names lists are abbreviated, but even then, only after more than 3 names. See for example

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I made the change. Probably a good suggestion. The only issue that might arise is "pp." implies that there are more pages than one. Might have to implement a separate "page" parameter in addition to "pages".

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Perhaps the authors of the nifty code could (hint!, hint!) find a way to let editor tell the template "hey, this is a bibliographic cit, not an inline one," so allowing it to modify its behaviour accordingly.

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expect is that "place" should be used to give the city where something was printed, not a location in the text, because that is what the documentation says. At the very least, I expect consistency. Compare:

2147:. So you can have two separate urls. I was thinking, though, that it might be helpful to have the default behavior be to link url with the contribution/chapter when url is given but contribution-url isn't. 5330:

Rare thing anymore to find anyone who recognizes the "one tool, one task" paradigm. *phew* I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one being laughed at. I wish I had a penny for every time I heard "What, you're

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What do you mean with "this is bad practice"? Do you mean that we (Wikipedians) should not have to full stop, or that the list of references as displayed in the articles should not have a final full stop?

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You can see this in the "Joseph Knight" example in the main template page. The page number is given as "35", but this does not appear anywhere in the output. Is this deliberate or a mistake? Thanks.

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I don't use a country/state code unless its really necessary, i.e. to distinguish "Paris, TX" from, well, Paris. :) But now that I think of it, I haven't yet actually needed that kind of precision. --

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0. Supporting quote= wouldn't help. If the ref that holds the first citation (with or without quote=) vanishes, then the next ref is busted (irrespective of whether the first ref had quote= or not).

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In my experience, a DOI for a contribution within a conference proceedings is almost always for the contribution itself and not for the whole proceedings. Is that what you mean re "included part"? —

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The span with the COinS contains a   (non-breakable space); see the last line in the wikicode for the template. I'm guessing that this causes the offending space. Can we just remove it? --

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In your case, if the change of title has some bearing on the article itself, then add a sentence to say so in the article's text. For example: "... the work, which was first published in the UK as

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and it was available. all the same ,suggestions are welcome. However, I reiterate my intent with the page, which was a simple one line template offering helpful links in a passive, polite manner.

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This I assume is not a major issue since these variables can alias to existing ones (which aren't needed for A/V: "Writer" is not relevant to non-print media; a (film) script is again "print").

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be "edited now" with proper results by the novel user, in my personal experience, whereas simply writing down the ref in markupped plaintext is a) shorter and b) far more easily understandable.

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I use {{citation}} a lot. I've noticed that many of my citations now don't have the accessdate automatically wikilinked. Before, I could put in accessdate-2007-08-03 and it would appear as

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is correctly generating the href just fine. This appears to be a new bug because it worked before, so perhaps something in wiki software broke (but then why only in id= and not in href=?).

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The "first/last" format in the templates is not able to (and never will be) to handle all eventualities of author names correctly; besides, it creates considerable obfuscation and bloat.

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However, when the resource is in and of itself a web page, such as citing on-line periodicals where there is no paper equivalent, the access date is needed to create that stability. --

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I have searched trying to find support for medical references using the PubMed ID number. At present the articles I have seen all use the ref system which is now deprecated. Any ideas?

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template, then (1) you're doing it in the wrong place, and (2) you need to address the serious formatting inconsistencies that arise whenever people try to format citations manually. —

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arguments. However, I've found listing all arguments with a suitable vague explanation of each (so as to make the variable names applicable in any context) really difficult to do. --

719:. I believe there is a need for a simple reminder on certain types of pages, such as Future Films (one of which inspired the template). Thank you for your help in finding a location. 337:

for a while. I was involved in the basic design a long time ago, but it has been vastly changed. I've tried to make things as compatible as possible with the other templates, but the

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Medium= unfortunately can't be mapped to the existing series= (because series= would be needed for serials), but it could perhaps be recycled for print publications too (e.g. , etc)

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is implemented for this reason, so I wrapped the DOI inside an urlencode. Unfortunately, there is a bug in the implementation and {{urlencode:<}} does not yield %3C as it should (

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As regards obfuscation - try a look at the source code of any page that makes extensive use of the cite template and the ref tag. It looks like it's written by Microsoft programmers.

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Note: just don't forget to delete the remaining redirect, which will be an alias for the new template name (which defeats your intention, if not deleted). Otherwise, I don't care. --

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to provide the link to the one that does not change. The one that might change is entirely superfluous because (at the time of writing) it is identical to the stable version anyway.

4318:. This isn't just a non-print issue. For example, some government publications have only column number(s). Maps may only have grid numbers. Perhaps a generic "at=" is the way to go. 873:

I doubt there are tools yet for this new template. Mine are still a week away from using it. But the documentation hints that this citation can be used with Harvard references. (

1308:. I think we should figure out the appropriate format for each type of document individually first, and then merge them into this template with the correct "switch" statements. — 5117:

long quotation which is off-to-the-side because (in the lead!) a paraphrase is sufficient, but the statement needs to well documented because syncretic influence is a hot potato.

2188:{{Citation | last = Bloggs | first = Fred | last2 = Doe | first2 = John | last3 = Smith | first3 = John | title = Which way around? | publisher = Knowledge}} gives the following. 2713:

it will probably correspond to the entire work, rather than any included part. That might not always be the case, but I think it's the best default behavior for this template.

2446:) but this is unusual and only because that journal has generally very short articles, with references often moved to the electronic appendix where they are then given in full. 7075:. In order to preserve the consistency of the inconsistency between these two templates, though, wikilinking of the specified archivedate should probably be required here. -- 6770:

Is there any way to change the automatically generated cite id without hard coding a new one? For example, sometimes I only want the author's last name as the cite id, i.e.,

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As you can guess from the list of journals, my fields is applied mathematics (more specifically, numerical analysis). In fact, I thought that Rjw62's field is the same, given

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I agree about the template syntax being baroque. It might have been okay a couple of years ago when templates were small, but it scales very poorly. As far as I'm aware, the

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I changed it as you suggested, moving the date later. I think that's better, and more standard. I think these citations usually start with the title when there is no author.

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above, but have the "type" field not actually do anything. Or perhaps just a note in brackets about what the reference is (a book, journal article, newspaper article, etc).

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idea is to make sure that any trailing punctuation in the url is clearly designated as being part of the url. Since angle brackets can't be part of an url, they are used.

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test... scroll down to the references and you'll see why when you come to "F"... I have posted a list of what could (and needs to) be in a semi-unified template format at

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Alternatively maybe one should use some sort of standin for an author here... Is there a stylesheet somewhere that describes what the right thing to do in this case is?

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I didn't mean "old" in the sense of archaic, but rather in the context of your previous comment in which you referred to quote= support for (backwards-?) compatibility.

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And {{Citation|author=Author name|journal=Knowledge, The 💕|title=Template:Citation|publisher=Wikimedia Foundation|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Citation}} gives

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and friends; those support two dates, one of which is the original. Also, it would be nice if we could have universal agreement on (or parameters for) the formatting.

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never sets IncludedWorkPages. Worse yet, for a non-periodical without an editor there is no try at displaying page numbers. In other words page numbers are omitted

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I'm not sure what your statement is in response to. I know what an archive is, and why it exists. ;) :The "questions" above are rhetorical, to get Boracay Bill to

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Diatribe? Where? With respect to 'c)': Quite right. It is functionally equivalent to an 'edition', likewise denoting the 'version' of the source when it was used.

6881:. I have everything cited correctly as a book, but it's treating it like it should be a patent, asking for inventor name, country code and patent number. Help! 2468:

It wouldn't be too hard to add a suffix field, nor would it in my opinion create "considerable obfuscation and bloat". Mentioning authors beyond the third in the

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It’s rather common, especially in the case of web pages—this one might be an example—to want to include both work and section, but to leave out the author(s).

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I had a look at the template code, but frankly it didn't mean a lot to me - any chance of getting it fixed by someone who knows how such things work? Cheers.

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This is almost what I want, but the publisher is suppressed. (I would think that even with a periodical it might sometimes be desireable to show a publisher.)

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Are you certain that it's perfectly obvious that one jumps to an anchor and the other creates the anchor, or should a little more description be provided? (

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DOI link at the end). Accessibility and usability-wise it's surely much better to have the main web link on the title rather than on an obscure number. --

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The examples encourage putting the last full stop after the }}. This is bad practice and there is a space between the end of the reference and the period. –

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These are generally deprecated in WP, yet here we say "States in the U.S. are denoted by a two-letter code; for example: place=Paris, TX" ... Comments?

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I hate to be a whiner, but that trailing period is part of the issue of consistency with other templates. With it removed, reference list items that use

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Which is why there is no need for an archive-date field; the "stable" and "unstable" versions have the same 'edition' at the time the source was cited.

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is complicated enough already, #2 or #3 is probably the better solution. Of the two, #2 is the less klutzy and would also enable support for a generic

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displays parameter Pages only for periodicals; otherwise if there is an editor, it displays IncludedWorkPages (provided it is not equal to Pages). But

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can be used to specify page number information directly in the full citation. However, unlike those three citation templates (and, probably, others),

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to treat their sources with dignity (and pride!) instead of treating them like stepchildren to be retained only in order to fulfill wikipedia policy.

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bloat, overhead, cruft, kipple, shland, call it what you like. And the template is already afoul of "you can edit this page now" IMHO. Think of the

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For a proposal to add an optional formatting parameter to this and related citation templates, which would allow display as a hanging indent, see

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reports an Erdős number, so I'm surprised by the statement that almost all journals in his/her field use "Surname, Initials" for every author. --

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If you're only concerned about a space before the period, as in the above section, put the span tag after the period, where it's supposed to be.

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fills the need. I think that the need is for support of online-archival links as an alternative to dead-link urls -- similarly to the way that

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The volume/issue number is usually provided too. Using your example, a citation for an article from the Winter 2005 issue would look like this:

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Hi guys, I'd like to use a citation template that does inline anchors. Problem is, I can't. The present template does not pass what I call the

6707:. Its not necessary or desirable to know the name of the work as it exists in another country, language, format, edition, publisher, ISBN etc. 2204:, Knowledge" The same happens with the Harvard template. Is there an agreed style that makes the co-authors appear with their surname last? 7385:

source is *stable*!!! *This* is the one you ought to be using, not the one that might change on a whim (and for reasons out of your control).

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Don't know if this is related or not, but there seems to be a space missing between URL and access date when citing a web page. For example:

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with the link to the site rather than the page. (I would think that even for a book the link should go on the chapter rather than the title.)

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citation is to lead the *reader* to the source, as close and dependably as possible. Which is why -- when one has a stable resource -- one

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On the other hand, is there a specific form of {{Cite ...}} that you've found that {{citation}} cannot substitute for? (examples please).

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I'd like to reopen this topic. We clearly have a lack of consistency among the different citation templates that should be rectified. As

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don't know if the 3rd printing is paginated in the same way as the 1st and 2nd printings, but they're all the 2nd edition of the book. –

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I added a "series" provision for both books and periodicals. Take a look and see if this is how you'd format it in theh above citation.

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or '" '. No need ',' between first name and last name, and so on. Would help me to make unified version of all the citation, please?--

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has been resolved. I'm working on it, but the required server-side modifications have low priority vis-a-vis the new pre-processor. --

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Thanks! I ended up adding the printing number to the publication-date param since it was possible and didn't look weird doing so. –

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I agree that it makes no sense to wikilink the access date. Changing the date format to match user preferences does make sense. ----

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a) No style sheet (APA, UC, MLA et al) standard has any such thing as an "archive" option (or even more ridiculously, archive-date).

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inside the parens, but can't you do the same thing easily enough by putting the quote outside the template again and using harvnb? —

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A tool would be great. Personally, I have done manual find-and-replace. It would be nice to have a tool, for example, for use with

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I'm not happy with either, but the problem (or so I deduced) is that the template is also linked directly from within <ref: -->

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tags, the page number then referring to a specific page for which that ref applies. Hence the need for the "at xx-yy" at the end.

79: 71: 66: 4672:(among others) alongside each other will look out of synch. I've started to go back and add periods outside the template, i.e.: 2356: 3035:

Thinking about this further, I'm not sure this is a good idea, and maybe we need to change it in the other templates, but the

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Shouldn't there be an easy way to distinguish whether the reference is a book, paper, journal or news article etc? Eg. with a

290:; how do you recommend experimenting without breaking thousands of pages? Or would you prefer to do all the edits yourself? -- 3190:

But the problem isn't just in the linking, but in the capitalization and punctuation as well. Can we adjust the cap/punct in

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have a conciseness (or maybe "cleanness") constraint as regards the code produced: it's called "you can edit this page now".

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with edit summary "Fix potential problem with AccessDate". I assume COGDEN had a reason for it and asked him to explain. --

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docs don't seem to contain a single complete list, only several special cases (e.g., citing books, citing journals, etc). –

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Maybe the difference is that there's a contribution title in this example, but not in the other kind of use you describe? —

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parameter isn't automatically wikified, and I think there ought to be some consistency among the various date parameters.

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Even if the old {{Cite ...}} templates did support quote=, I don't think its a good idea to carry that practice forward.

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Sounds great. That's probably the best way to do it: create the documentation and examples, then edit the code to match.

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needs to be doing is #urlencode the id= attribute, just as it #urlencode's the COInS data (which is emitted just fine).

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issue #1 are the fields that would be required for lastname/firstname splitting for compatibility with harvard citation.

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The idea of a universal citation template is appealing, but in terms of results the only major advantage today over the

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With that you have functional compatibility, but don't have to carry the feature creep legacy with it. Cite web has no

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instance. Separating related items often leads to problems, and putting the quote inside the template with an optional

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Thanks much. If we could also get support for the "series" field, currently ignored, that would also be appreciated. --

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I found that when using longer DOI (example shown below), resulted URL link is wrong and displayed doi also not proper

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issue #2 (and the only potential stumbling block I can think of) is pages=, and this is only because it inserts "pp.".

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Try dropping the quotes: {{citation|author=Bat Granny|year=2007}}, not {{citation|author="Bat Granny"|year=2007}} --

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task. It's more important for this template to be consistent with itself than with the other templates it replaces. —

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2. Is this suitable for citing a documentary? If so, I would love a full example of citing a film or documentary.

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the source that will not have changed since the writer referred to it. With a stable version you give the *reader*

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A tool would be useful to convert harvard references to citations if the harvard reference is really depreciated.

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Citations are NOT there to serve the writer, but to serve the *reader*. It is the reader who accesses the source,

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sure what the best long-term solution is, though. Templates can be a challenge to the servers in some situations.

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in the sense of being outdated and no longer used. they're not past-tense material. I see them used all the time.

2816:. Does anyone know why this was changed? Is it going to be fixed or do I have to manually make those links now? 2588:, which links to articles by doi but doesn't show the doi itself when it does. It seems reasonable enough to me. — 7912: 6988: 6846: 4425: 2623: 1394:

I mean bad practice to force content (".") outside the actual template, not that we shouldn't have a full stop. –

7352:. What {{cite web}} is doing with archive-xxx is gratuitously satisfying some editor's lack of understanding of 4498:

Could we standardize this template with the other "Cite" templates wrt "Retrieved on"? This template produces:

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instances where some past editor has deleted a block of text containing the matching <ref name=whatever: -->

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This is caused by the < symbol in the DOI. I don't know how to fix it. However, as a workaround, you can do

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the coding of the templates, for no particular gain. Therefore I'd pull the linking off of the other templates.

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Should accessdate be handled the same by Citation as by other templates, or should it be handled differently?

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citation is to lead the *reader* to the source, as close and dependably as possible. Which is why -- when one

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Thank you very much - I'm sure my article wasn't the only one affected, and that was a nice speedy response!

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Excellent! Thanks! Is there a documentation page somewhere that lists all of the supported arguments? The

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Is there a separate template for citing non-print media such as audio- and videotapes, CDs and DVDs? Cheers,

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Yes, I guess you're right. I reverted my recent edits, and I'll take a look again taking this into account.

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Knowledge users. Not everyone is markup-savy. A page that uses the template exclusively for referencing can

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erm, I meant "good" as in putting quotations/explanations inline, "bad" idea to treat them as distractions.

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parameter could usefully support that as well -- which would allow the quote in my earlier point involving

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Also, who wrote this COinS tag? Is it really going to work correctly in each instance of this template? —

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Personally, I can deal either way, so it's not a huge deal as far as I'm concerned. I'm just sayin'...

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In all the other reference/citation templates, Title is compulsary. How can cite a book without a title?

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I don't know if there is any consensus, but I personally prefer to have the parameter names in lowercase

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I'm working on it, but the holidays are slowing me down. I have a coded-but-barely-tested prototype at

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Notice that the "place" field is interpreted in two completely different ways, which is surely wrong. --

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reference templates in order to get the correct link made, which makes the reference look wrong there. —

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I agree that the space before the final full stop should be removed. This may not be so easy though. --

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In the book ({{citation|last=Mitchell|first=Margaret|...}}), Brett does not say "Frankly."</ref: -->

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Also, should this be called reference? Isn't the citation the , and the reference the book? Thanks.

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whatever. If I ever knew what is magical about the "&" or about "&rft", I've forgotten it. --

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Or prefix the Pages= argument as appropriate, and pass an unprefixed variant as COinSPages= downwards.

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I'm curious though- what's the intent behind having a semi-colon at the end of each reference in that

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Just to be on the safe side (in case wikilinkage's internal workings change), I'd use #urlencode for

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Yep. As do any of the other quotation mark glyphs except the literal ". On the back-end, this causes

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From a look at some random files on my hard drive, I have to disagree as well. I saw the following:

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You ask rhetorically above: "Where does a citation end, and where does the "archive" gunk appear?"

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Indeed, supporting notes is a proverbial PITA. I've frequently wished there was a <note ...: -->

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I've given this some thought, and think I've identified the issues that will need to be addressed:

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to strip the id= because the quotation mark inside the attribute (i.e.foo"1900") would be illegal.

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Okay, I made an attempt to put the tags in a giant span element surrounding the whole citation at

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parameter instead of alongside the template but separate from it would, I think, reduce problems.

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2005). But usually, even such very long author lists get cited in full, as is only proper to do.

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between citation templates on matters like this? It is not easy to remember that accessdates in

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added the trailing punctuation themselves. Am not going to press the point (no pun intended)....

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a bibliography section is distinct from a notes section and both are distinct from quotations.

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how about a Citation/doc/sandbox in which we can scribble in? Or do you have a better idea? --

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This template also has an ISSN field, but it was not documented. So you can use something like

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I agree there are a few features that need documentation, and others that need clarification.

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vanish, or - heaven forbid - change so as to no longer support what they are being cited for.

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While there are some good reasons for a "note", these can be added in parentheses after the

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was recieved in between two meetings, or whether the second quote was in the same meeting.

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The formatting for a journal paper with a year but no author looks kind of ugly to me. E.g.

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about taking an unstable source into consideration when he/she has a stable source as well.

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function does what you want? It's almost undocumented; the only mention I could find is at

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using vi?" In my case it was nvi though, so nyah, I'm 'leeter than you. :) But I digress...

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I see that this template supports citing patents. Would it be possible to add a section on

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Technical details: The first problem is that URLs cannot contain characters like < (see

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An archive is not the "alternative". IT IS THE PRINCIPAL!!! It is a *priceless* resource!

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Just converted to qif. Nothing more. Hope I made no botches. Kept formatting as it was. (

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There is no provision for naming a translator (using "editor" or "author" doesn't work).

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issue #4 is that - for the average 'pedian - there are no examples that demonstrate how

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The one you added is only appropriate for books. I started a centralized discussion at

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are available, these -- rather than the original -- are the ones that ought to be used.

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The problem is more subtle than that. Only one variable named "Pages" (holding either

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until the last entry which ends in a '.'. Just my opinion, not a policy or anything.

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conciseness constraints that paper journals do" is precisely the point: there is just

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The space was introduced by the recent inclusion of COinS tags. I'm attempting a fix.

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citation problems, and one common problem I see is orphan <ref name=whatever/: -->

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not to be argumentative here (really. no kidding.) — just commenting on your points.

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For another, even the longest quotations can be reframed so that they "work" inline.

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Should page numbers be shown for a book without an editor? Currently they are not. --

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I wonder if there is a way to detect if accessdate= is properly formatted. OTOH, it

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I would find it useful if this template had a {{{language}}} parameter like that in

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already has. But what the initiator of this section wants is something else. ;) --

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The H-I-P discussion you refer to is about formating bibliographic lists. (#2 here)

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The value of this field would need to appear just before location: publisher. e.g.

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No draconian measures necessary. :) As you note, the templates wikilink accessdate

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has some stuff in it which looks unfamiliar. What has me puzzled at the moment is

5779:{{Citation |url=http://abc.def.com |title=test |accessdate=2007-10-12}} produces: 5764:{{Cite web |url=http://abc.def.com |title=test |accessdate=2007-10-12}} produces: 5309:

is dead in the water, no matter where the quotation within that first <ref: -->

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has an ISSN field, but I'm trying to transition to this more versatile template. —

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seek concensus across all the citation templates before changing it back. Thanks!

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The former is more useful, especially for people viewing printed copies of pages.

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Initials" for the first author and then "Initials, Surname" for the others is the

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Just an idea, just using a wrapper template for all different types of references

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I ended up adding the info in parentheses after the citation template. Thanks! –

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its not a whole lot extra effort to move the quotation out of the {{ }} brackets.

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i.e. director-first/-last, producer-first/-last, speaker-first/-last (for audio).

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1423|year=1998|doi=10.1007/BFb0054849|id={{arxiv|math.NT|0005160}}|pages=1–47}}.

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This is necessary to make the value of the attribute match what is generated by

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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right away, and then proceed to push the linking discussion to a conclusion? -

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allows a doi= field, while for this one it seemingly has to be handled via id=

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about the purpose of citations in general and the superfluity of his request.

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Nilsson, Nils J. (2005), "Human-Level Artificial Intelligence? Be Serious!",

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Nilsson, Nils J. (2005), "Human-Level Artificial Intelligence? Be Serious!",

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All other code (including COinS and Periodical handling) remains unaffected.

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Can someone please change this so that use of the singular "page=" gives a "

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level there is no longer any way to differentiate between pages= and page=.

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What exactly is broken? If you can give my an example, I'll try to fix it.

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in the more specific templates months ago with no complaints that I recall.

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You're right. That's an error, and I fixed it by getting rid of the unused

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Urgh - wish you hadn't stuck the trailing full-stop on there... it's made

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Your suggestion makes sense and nobody protested, so I implemented it. --

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user date preferences take effect. This will no longer be necessary when

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yes, of course. But I still don't understand what your point is. :) --

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b) Where does a citation end, and where does the "archive" gunk appear?

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I made the change here. It's the same strategy as the example above by

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tool which combined editor, revision control system, compiler, linker,

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0. what I had in mind there was maintainability. I spend a lot of time

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and other citation templates which don't currently support an optional

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Problem fixed (by removing COinS tag part of the template, see below).

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Issue where chapter (or contribution) is present, but author is absent

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There is a separate tag for urls for the contribution/chapter, called

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handle DOI directly, but it hasn't been put in the documentation yet.

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And finally, its a practice that should not to be encouraged. People

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As you probably guessed, using the ISBN field is not a good idea. --

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section also seems a good idea and in line with general practice. --

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If formatting it by hand, I'd probably put the year at the end, e.g.

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While it is sometimes necessary to prepend or append something to a

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facility, so no need to bother supporting archive-xxx for chapters.

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yet, but I will after others have had a few days to look it over.

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This is easy to do in Common.css. No need to change the templates.

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Nevermind. the other person working with me on this idea suggested

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is formatted acording to my user preferences. The accessdate from

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I'm not sure what all is broken, nor everything to expect. What I

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Algorithmic Number Theory: Third International Symposium, ANTS-III

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Algorithmic Number Theory: Third International Symposium, ANTS-III

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Algorithmic Number Theory: Third International Symposium, ANTS-III

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Karim CHABANI, "Double Trajectories: Crossing Lines in Fun Home",

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I didn't think it was a good idea to assume that the parameter of

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I would expect to see "Bloggs, Fred; Doe, John & Smith, John,

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I am absolutely baffled ... *shocked* ... that anyone would even

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Or prefix the Pages= argument as appropriate and use #regexpr in

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Thanks for the clarification, I have been doing this backwards.

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As this template can be used for online periodicals, I think it

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Request: please add archivedate and archiveurl parameters as in

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To be able to fix the p./pp. issue, it would be necessary to...

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family and this, and apparently someone didn't notice. Help?! --

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to build a template that does what the present one does, covers

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would be the best parameter names to use for this. Adding a new

5677:}} 5672:| {{{at|}}} 5440:

Well it does. So can someone please fix it so that I don't get

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one is not going to change, while the other may, then you are

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quotation which though not too long, is rather too convoluted;

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identifiers? I've been citing an academic online publication

25: 6845:

Not yet, unfortunately. I'm gathering examples of usage (see

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of the cite element. That's very inelegant, but it would work

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That's a good idea. You may want to check recent changes to

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for the full set including results). I'm not asking for an

6786:, but it would be nicer if there was an argument for this. – 6481:, which looks promising (if I understood what you want). -- 6083:

for an author="pseudonym" causes the html output to have no

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list) or the bibliography (works cited) sections. Examples:

6849:) though, originally with the intent of having one list of 6727:. For example: {{citation|...|year=1998}} (''fasc.'' 1724). 5233: 3769:, Springer-Verlag, Lecture Notes in Computer Science 1423, 3417:

Can or should one use the ISBN field for publications with

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As I have since found out, the reason why it doesn't bite

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could supplant some/many/most/all of them, but it has not.

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and several alternatives, etc.) deserves a close look. --

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level and pass that as a separate variable, say PagesTag=

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not have had issue numbers, the citation would have read:

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I recently added some COinS metadata to this template. I

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An article on Knowledge would be cited roughly like this:

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Wikipedia_talk:Avoid_using_meta-templates#Logic_templates

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parameter along the lines of your example would be easy.

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Does this template generate COinS? I note that it is in

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Result at 10:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC) (template substed):

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naaah. though inelegant, works fine with " --

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Certainly agree: especially when it’s used in place of

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Answer found in the cite template. Ignore the above. --

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Well, to add 7 characters to express 3-4 (Jr. to III.)

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Okay, I see. COinS for Template:Citation is currently

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It's easy enough to put the bibliographic data inside

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1984, "The publications and writings of Jack Kiefer",

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I did not know Template:Citation exist so that I made

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I just verified that you can. Now the next question:

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2.1. Add a new variable 'PagesTag=' to pass onwards:

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Smith accused Jones of being the culprit.<ref: -->

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In A/V material, it would be just a <timecode: -->

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As formatted by the current version of the template:

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Here's the same citation using "{{cite journal ...":

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and references are not put in alphabetical order by:

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citations are there for,... which is NOT the editor.

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You could probably use this one. There are tags for

2055:(1953), "Sequential minimax search for a maximum", 2025:(1953), "Sequential minimax search for a maximum", 1988:(1953), "Sequential minimax search for a maximum", 936:

Page numbers are omitted when citing a contribution

7145:looks good to me and passes all the examples from 4362:support these formats could then be based on that. 3560:with %3E, the second time you leave < and : --> 2834:templates, using exactly the same parameter list. 2047:what I would like the first example to look like: 1306:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Microformats#COinS_work 661:This gets transcluded occasionally by mistake for 214:), the date of the original work (probably re-use 7460:electronic sources need an access-date? And what 7198:Further, what do you intend to do when it is the 4207:What's with the extra url in brackets, like "< 2303:Zeitschift für Angewandte Mathematik und Mechanik 2271:and references are put in alphabetical order by: 2228:I have to disagree with this. It's certainly not 1546:I think these major features should be discussed 1329:Template_talk:Harvard_reference#Revamped_template 856:Tool to convert harvard references to "citations" 797:1. Can you still use harvnb when using citation? 7818:have the "access-date" field. That's all 8-) -- 7205:The "solution" for backwards compatibility with 6801:Use {{citation|...|ref=''whateveryouwant''}} -- 5597:My suggestion (using #2, and adding support for 4192:I took a stab at this after needing it myself. — 2947:Here's the parameter list I used in both cases: 2058:Proceedings of the American Mathematical Society 2028:Proceedings of the American Mathematical Society 1991:Proceedings of the American Mathematical Society 1820:"The publications and writings of Jack Kiefer", 1525:No, because Mediawiki strips empty span tags. — 671:. This is not a good thing. Can we move this to 106:An example of an attempt to do both of these is 7237:|AccessDate={{{access-date|{{{accessdate|}}}}}} 7119:, you can try it out if you want to help test. 4732:article? It would seem to be a bit unusual...-- 4693:and oddball when doing a bunch of references. 7297:I disagree that functional compatibility with 5240:, but most of my co-workers by that time used 3536:10.1562/0031-8655(2002)076<0561:AHOUPF: --> 3528:10.1562/0031-8655(2002)076<0561:AHOUPF: --> 1556:element. In the meantime, I'm reverting back. 7643:the stable resource, and not the "fluid" one. 7202:that is the one that you have an archive for? 6065:with author= value in quotation marks causes 5913: 5577:to break off the p./pp. when it isn't wanted. 4571:Done, for consistency. Should now appear as: 4428:is up. Comments/advice/edits are welcome. -- 3990:It looks like something has changed with the 2841:Here's the citation using "{{Citation" ...": 2639:Diakonis, "Dynamical Bias in the Coin Toss", 2618:Diakonis, "Dynamical Bias in the Coin Toss", 2253:All names are cited as Surname, Initials by: 994:If I understand the template code correctly, 275:I wonder if you have tracked developments of 8: 6277:which is valid, and so no repairs necessary. 5255:the {{Cite ...}} templates templates aren't 4737: 4592: 4452: 4323:issue #3 is *one* really new field, medium=. 3141:parameter in most of the templates produces: 2383:all have "Surname, Initials" throughout. -- 191:is link compatibility with Harvard style. -- 5548:Either pass both Page= and Pages= downwards 4969:parameter. I think that adding an optional 3708:Pages numbers in contributions within books 1263:for marking citations in (X)HTML. See also 99:'s notorious series of "yellow books", the 7688:"Philippines Aims to Boost Growth by 2009" 7317:does that where it is supported there. -- 7187:The two options are uneccessary: Since an 6097:{{citation|author="Bat Granny"|year=2007}} 4833:formats) belong in "==Bibliography==" or " 4517:Whereas Cite news and the others produce: 2268:All names are cited as Initials Surname … 2263:Proceedings of the Royal Society of London 860:Is there a tool to automate this process? 764:I tried to clarify this on the /doc page. 7911:Lowercase is correct usage, according to 7005:Knowledge:Manual of Style (abbreviations) 6191:“curly quotes” are elegant—Do they work? 5425:Template talk:Cite book#"Pages" parameter 2442:allows a very brief format (first author 2017:Supplying a doi without an id does work: 621: 178:Text "Grundwissen Mathematik 5" ignored ( 6254:'s id= is being generating as raw html: 5227:messy, since cite.php-style <ref: --> 4842:Quotations belong in the article proper. 4350:could be used for a lot more than print. 4063:Yvon Villarceau, Antoine Joseph François 2907:. New York: D. Appleton and Company: 722 2855:, New York: D. Appleton and Company: 722 2584:This would match the behavior of, e.g., 2301:and references are put in footnotes by: 6272:<a href="#CITEREF.22foo.221900": --> 6137:Although the workaround here is to use 5853:don't require Wikilinking but those in 5409:. On the other hand, the abbreviations 5223:guidelines. I don't recall one on this. 4996:Taking that thought a bit further yet, 4683:And that does work fine - but it makes 2359:. The others using Harvard references: 144:, translated by Robert B. Burckel from 7872:and thank you for your patience :) -- 7723: 7712: 6873:Have patents taken over this template? 6049: 3728:(1998), "Shimura curve computations", 3103: 3092: 2928: 2917: 2875: 2864: 2192:Bloggs, Fred; Doe, John; Smith, John, 1909:While I'm asking about this template: 1882: 1215: 1205: 1150: 1140: 1107: 1097: 744:What relationship with other template? 389:Upper case or lower case of parameters 316:that references the testing templates. 168: 118:, Graduate Texts in Mathematics, vol. 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 7550:As I said to Avi below: the point of 4845:They are your most valuable resource. 3297: 3076:The Battle of Barrosa, 5th March 1811 2605:I now implemented this. For example, 541:Would you agree if I convert this to 7: 7609:allow for many pages to be captured 6703:Citations are always for the source 5138:{{harvnb|...}} citing {{harvnb|...}} 4786:When adding data subborned<g: --> 4073:, Paris: Gauthier-Villars: 345–347, 1867:"The publications and writings of ]" 7913:Digital object identifier#Structure 7367:what he needs. The rest is doo-wah. 7263:{{{access-date|{{{accessdate|}}}}}} 6896:OK...apparently it fixed itself... 6283:{{citation|author="foo"|year=1900}} 5960: 5937:Category:Templates generating COinS 5167:one even changes word order around. 95:Also, in mathematics we often cite 7925:template also displays lowercase. 7866:So allow me to feel really stupid 7611:given original url and access date 6555:id="CITEREF{{#if:{{{Surname1|}}} 6343:id="CITEREF{{#if:{{{Surname1|}}} 5711:I've implemented my suggestion at 4067:Nouvelles Annales de Mathématiques 3534:the true doi for above example is 2285:SIAM Journal of Numerical Analysis 2184:When there is more than one author 1480:I'm not sure what value these have 1265:Knowledge:WikiProject Microformats 1088:Author name, "Template:Citation", 792:after quickly reading the article. 717:User talk:ThuranX/CitationTemplate 452:User:AzaToth/X7&oldid=30245175 24: 7370:If you have two sources, and you 7157:User:RossPatterson/Citation/tests 6912:Year of authorship vs publication 6778:. Right now I've created my own 6119:"Bat Granny" (2007)</cite: --> 6108:"Bat Granny" (2007)</cite: --> 5839:Yes, but shouldn't there be some 5655:| Pages = {{{pages|{{{page|}}}}}} 3424:which has an ISSN, but no ISBN. 1769:Update: Seems to be working now. 7867: 7837:Yes, naturally. Which of course 7143:User:RossPatterson/Citation/core 7137:OK, I'm done. The prototype at 6124:as it should. Strangely enough, 5891:default to the current date too. 5526:|Pages = {{{pages|{{{page|}}}}}} 5326:(or a <ref group="2" ...: --> 5150:For one, during a conversion to 4630:I removed the trailing period. — 4566: 4065:(1848), "Théorème sur le tore", 2895:Proctor, R. A. (October, 1873). 2843:Proctor, R. A. (October, 1873), 955:has been added as a synonym for 210:, etc.), the original language ( 29: 7261:{{{archive-date|{{{archivedate| 5594:variable (for non-print media). 2292:Journal of Mathematical Physics 1861:Still has an odd comma, though: 1173:parameters are undocumented. -- 268:Thanks for the prompt response. 231:As to the other issue, I think 6600:CITEREF{{#if:{{{Surname1|}}} 6296:tidy sees that and strips to: 5325:equivalent of <ref ...: --> 4772:07:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC) 4762:06:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC) 4749:02:35, 27 September 2007 (UTC) 4719:01:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC) 4703:But it means that one can use 4698:00:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC) 4678:{{citation|etc}}.</ref: --> 4644:15:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC) 4635:15:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC) 4618:13:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC) 4610:Battle of Barrosa#Bibliography 4604:02:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC) 4554:13:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC) 4464:04:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC) 4261:09:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC) 4197:01:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC) 3669:09:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC) 3574:Photochemisty and Photobiology 3565:Hockberger, Philip E. (2002), 3516:Photochemisty and Photobiology 3507:Hockberger, Philip E. (2002), 3205:00:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC) 1341:Videos and Asian format needed 477:This would be incompatible to 1: 7971:23:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC) 7953:22:26, 28 December 2007 (UTC) 7935:13:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC) 7249:{{{archive-url|{{{archiveurl| 7129:02:57, 25 December 2007 (UTC) 7109:02:16, 25 December 2007 (UTC) 7085:01:59, 21 December 2007 (UTC) 6906:19:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC) 6891:19:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC) 6863:18:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC) 6833:16:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC) 6811:16:07, 19 November 2007 (UTC) 6796:15:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC) 6758:18:06, 17 November 2007 (UTC) 6740:17:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC) 6698:18:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC) 6675:18:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC) 6657:17:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC) 6642:16:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC) 6513:16:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC) 6491:11:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC) 6460:00:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC) 6439:23:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC) 6201:00:54, 18 November 2007 (UTC) 6179:17:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC) 6161:01:38, 17 November 2007 (UTC) 5949:yes, it generates COinS. See 5623:|, {{{PagesTag}}} {{{Pages}}} 4965:does not support an optional 4230:02:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 4187:00:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 4160:17:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 4146:16:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 4137:00:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 4115:00:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 4027:19:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC) 4012:14:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC) 3980:22:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC) 3892:01:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 3871:01:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 3848:22:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC) 3835:22:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC) 3702:20:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC) 3128:08:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 3049:01:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 2790:22:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC) 2752:20:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC) 2723:19:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC) 2277:American Mathematical Monthly 2093:I hopefully made the change. 1031:parameter and just using the 926:08:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC) 892:03:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC) 878:06:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 868:06:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 848:03:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC) 834:06:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 820:06:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 808:05:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 781:08:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC) 758:04:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 681:or some such until finished? 633:22:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC) 590:19:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 572:16:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 558:14:16, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 508:16:41, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 124:Graduate Texts in Mathematics 101:Graduate Texts in Mathematics 7348:is not actually filling any 7038:01:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC) 7022:00:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC) 6969:01:14, 7 December 2007 (UTC) 6946:03:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC) 6933:03:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC) 6922:20:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC) 6146:03:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC) 6034:23:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC) 6008:23:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC) 5987:18:38, 15 October 2007 (UTC) 5968:17:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC) 5944:16:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC) 5921:07:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC) 5898:07:11, 13 October 2007 (UTC) 5868:00:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC) 5831:23:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC) 5821:07:22, 12 October 2007 (UTC) 5750:00:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC) 5724:18:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC) 5693:17:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC) 5478:00:10, 15 October 2007 (UTC) 5449:04:15, 14 October 2007 (UTC) 5432:12:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC) 5393:00:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC) 5219:good vs. bad idea hinges on 5132:tag - 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