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areas, they don't remotely correspond to what people generally consider a county to be. For example, each of the 32 London boroughs is an administrative county by virtue of being a unitary authority; yet most people don't consider
Lewisham, Croydon or Newham to be counties. Ceremonial counties much closer to the popular idea of a county: basically, they are the post-1972 counties with a few modifications (e.g. the addition of the East Riding of Yorkshire, and the replacement of Avon with a much smaller Bristol). Ceremonial counties are almost identical to Lieutenancy areas. (There used to a few minor differences, but I'm not aware of any that survive.) Fundamentally the confusion exists because of the huge extent to which English counties have been repeatedly altered over the last 35 years. Personally I'm not keen on the use of the term "Lieutenancy areas" and would prefer to just say "Counties", or, if we want to be exact, "Ceremonial Counties". —
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suggests that a variant (that is, something like {{flagicon|Northern
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England, and perhaps for Northern Ireland too, the "Lieutenancy areas" are the things commonly called counties. In England, we have administrative counties and ceremonial counties. As the name suggests, for most purposes, administrative counties are what counts; however, in urban
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nowhere on that article is there any mention of
Lieutenancy areas, the only divisions used in Northern Ireland are the traditional counties and the 26 District council areas, so please explain what they are and what role do they play. Maybe they are unique to other parts of the UK, but not in
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template isn't requesting that the UB is displayed. It is requesting that some appropriate flag for NI is displayed (or if that isn't possible, none). If this template directly linked to the UB image, your points would all be valid. But it doesn't. This template uses a neutral
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The link I give deals specifically with the Ulster banner and how it shouldn't be used to represent
Northern Ireland today, if people want to use a flag for Northern Ireland then use the only Official Flag the Union
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That is your opinion that it is not the national flag of
Northern Ireland. Flags are used out of convention and the convention still remains strong in Northern Ireland. You are aware of how the debate is going on
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of them could be represented by the Union Flag which would defeat the point of having flags at all as no-one is going to see the Union Flag and think, "ah ha, that must be
Northern Irish section". —
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hard-coded to display the UB. That way we can keep this argument in one place rather than blitzing around
Knowledge (XXG) repeating it over and over. As I've said repeatedly, if you get
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As you are well aware that flagicon was intended for use in sports articles, you are also aware that the Ulster Banner is not a current national flag, therefore you are edit warring to
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I don't know what these are supposed to refer to but I have never heard of them being used in
Northern Ireland, we have Counties and the Districts which are used in local government.--
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has been working very hard to update all the flag icons used in sports, the reason given before that {{NIR}} couldn't be changed is because of it links to all the sports template.--
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can be changed to default to some other flag (or none, or a map, or whatever). That means it will propagate through to the other templates. If, however, it's desired that
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comes in where user claim that this flag represent Northern Ireland today, they have been as to prove this with sources and have failed to do so, sotheir claims fall under
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isn't a policy, it's an essay which specifcally doesn't have policy stated. That said, it's a useful source of advice about the use of flags. So is your argument about
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which is the government of Northern Ireland recognise this flag in any form, it isn't Northern Irelands flag, therefore to claim it is is
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in an effort to get this whole argument moved elsewhere and to stop this same topic repeatedly occurring throughout Knowledge (XXG). —
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The six administrative counties and two county-boroughs remain in use for some purposes, including Lords Lieutenant and number plates.
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if you wish, but we shouldn't ignore WP policies, because some editors want to ignore facts.--
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on this template, or simply that Northern Ireland shouldn't have a flag?
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