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My original intention when cleaning up this template was to keep the number of brands and models to the reasonable minimum. The reason is simple: it is much easier to see the difference between models of one make (like, Peugeot 208, Peugeot 308 and
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Your first source is to a specific car, the BMW 3 series. Your whatcar sources just go to the news page. Your segments source does not connect to anything anymore. The truth is no one has a definitive definition for the
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I guess we should discuss what cars should be listed as examples. I mean, cars in the list should not be selected spontaneous, but rather be classic examples. Also examples should come from different markets (US, Europe and Japan minimum, adding
Australia and Korea when possible) to represent the
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Commodore. The problem is Chrysler is a premium (and some even say luxury) brand. How about replaŃicng Chrysler 300 with classic Impala or Caprice? Don't know what to pick. Affordable full-size car is American phenomen, but one notable European example, Opel Omega, should be
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Audi Q5, Honda CR-V, BMW X3, Ford Kuga, VW Tiguan. Too many examples, too few notable ones. Audi Q5 is not even on sale yet, not to mention a fact its only purpose is providing an alternative to BMW x3. The same is true for Ford Kuga. How about adding morepopular and established models such as
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Hyundai Accent, Opel Corsa, Suzuki Swift. Nice examples, but these models are not best-sellers in the class. How about
Volkswagen Polo and Ford Fiesta to represent Europe? Not sure about models from Korea and Japan, but I suspect that there are models that are more popular and
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The other widely used classification is ACRISS, but when I tried to add in an additional column (under heading "Trade Body
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Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Opel Astra, VW Golf. Hm, there are no doubt VW Golf should be listed - it started the whole class. Focus, Civic and Astra are pretty popular. But how come the list does not include the best-selling car in the history -
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I believe Coupé Minivan section should be deleted. See, Coupé Minivan is not a part of size classification. Coupé Minivan is not even a recognised body style. A single model is not enough to form a class that can be listed here.
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There is really no need to edit this constatly, once its made its ready. try to keep many brands/countries represented here, so no need to add every audi or every citroen or every whatever brand model to this template.
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needs sorting out before this is pasted everywhere, and by sorting out, I mean it needs to be encyclopaedic with references to show who says that one car fits one category and not another and that something like
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I agree that the Golf is a significant model for the segment and should be included. Regarding the United States entry, the Dodge Neon sounds like a good choice to me. Cheers,
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Ford Mondeo, Opel Vectra, Toyota
Avensis, VW Passat. Very nice list. The only problem it does not lists models from US. Are listed models popular enoug in US?
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in your template. Not fine if you want to build an accurate cross-referenced template. At the moment I think this template easily satisfies points 1 and 4 at
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Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Mercedes S-Class. Ideal list. Germans have almost monopolized luxury segment, so adding Alfas or Caddys would be fanboyish.
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Audi A6, BMW 5 Series, Mercedes E-Class. Ideal list. Germans have almost monopolized luxury segment, so adding Alfas or Caddys would be fanboyish.
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Audi A4, BMW 3 Series, Mercedes C-Class. Ideal list. Germans have almost monopolized luxury segment, so adding Alfas or Caddys would be fanboyish.
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Makes sense, though by being ultra selective in which marques are listed means that fans of another excluded marque keep wanting to add more in!
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Daihatsu Terios, Mitsubishi Pajero iO , Suzuki SX4. Suzuki is notable for their mini SUVs, but SX4 is a crossover, not a SUV. How about listing
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I'm making the list more detailed by adding popular models of cars in the list, dont clear my edits, dont vandalize. I corrected again Thnx
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Crossovers are different from SUVs. If US or EU vehicle control organizations distinguish between two, we got to add crossovers separately.
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Decide if it should retain historical classes like sedanca-de-ville, bubble car etc. (not recommended).
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