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Ohhhh! Maybe I'm just really old-farty, but the word "ontogeny" gets used plenty in my everyday world. I suppose I do use "development" more for the same purpose. I don't use "morphogenesis" much, but that might be because I'm usually thinking of behavioural traits rather than morphological ones...
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I've got this vague memory floating around that
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Plasticily, reaction norms and GxE all require some form of environmental variaiton, be it internal or external environment (in which the internal is also affected by the genes of he organism). Canalisation can be internal, without environment, against genetic pertubations (by mutations).
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OK, I'm with you. It makes me think that I should try to put in a sentence or two in the
Lamarckism article that points to the way in which certain molecular mechanisms you might call Lamarckian violate the central dogma... but that's a much finer point than we need in the template.
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Nah... I like the word "morphogenesis". But I'll put a redirect, just in case. I think it's fine for the title link. Readers who click on "development" will see where it leads. On reflection, "ontogeny", while still a really cool word, is a bit more old-fashioned.
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Heritabilities are defined as for a specific genotype and environment, and as such aslo depedent on the enviroment. Just remember that field estimated h2/H2's are generally lower than lab based h2/H2's as a result of the better control of the lab environment. --
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I think that people who like to spell "capitalize" as "capitalise" also tend to be more fond of lower-case letters :-) (e.g. "AIDS" vs. "Aids"). Still, while I could never convince myself to do the first thing, I'm indifferent about the second.
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I see that this template was created quite a while ago and has been largely stable for years. As I review some of the linked articles for article expansions and updates, I thought I should mention a user bibliography on
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