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than 90% of the infoboxes at the expense of breaking less than 10% of the infoboxes. It will help prevent editors from editing (and messing up) the redirects I'm creating, and when I'm done with moving the templates, all of those +/- links would be working (as opposed to them all being broken). We can wait to add back the other two instances of "software", because the redirects created by moving the templates prevent this from being a problem with nearly all infoboxes; I think it is really only this change that Reedy meant to revert, because it did cause lots of problems without fixing any problems. --
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person/organisation/group who currently fix bugs in it. In actuality, I should stop using this template because the way it's set up right now, I simply can't express the truth using it. Since I copied the infobox usage from some other page (sadly, I forget which one), it's evident that I'm not the only person who has this problem!
914:) credit as the original author/developer because that was a part of the agreement under which he agreed to give me control over the software so it could be OpenSourced - but Pawel doesn't want people contacting him about maintenance matters because he's moved on to other things that are totally unrelated to graphics.
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Based on a request by
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The more we add parameters the more it makes the template not-flexible. We can't just suppose most softwares use the version model we have defined. I even think the "release" and "preview" parameters should be replaced by "latest version" and "latest date" parameters. Can't a parameter be a list ? We
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Hi! Some software, say MySQL, requires information on releases such that there are two latest versions - one for the
Enterprise tree and one for the Community tree. And then there's also a preview release (5.1). The template currently provides for Community and preview, but what about extending it to
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Since (in general) 'developer' and 'maintainer' mean quite different things, either the present parameter's name should be changed to 'maintainer' - or what it should display as 'Developer' - it's completely confusing the way it is now. I would definitely support an 'original_author' field - if it's
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I've just tried to use the licence-parameter, and the infobox displays an empty "License:" block. I expect it is a problem with the infobox's coding, since it does work if I use the license-parameter (i.e. with the second c replaced with an s). I have, however, decided to leave it as "licence" since
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I think the solution would be to use some more of the scripting, similar to how the license vs licence is done. It could be between several options with a default, such as logo (assume left or right, as a default), logoleft (logo goes to the left), logoright (logo goes to the right). Or would that
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I've resolved the problems I had with 7-Zip and µTorrent, and I've been making steady progress toward getting all the templates renamed. At this point, I think it would help to add back the two occurrences "software" in the links for the +/- text in the template. This change would be a fix for more
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Infobox
Software2 is intended to be used with articles describing software having frequently new versions. Thus, when there is a new release of the software, you don't need to edit the article, you just have to click on the version number and modify the subpage. The aim of this template is probably
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The policy of
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I see no value in this "separate-editing" feature. Can you explain what exactly is the problem this solves? To me it seems purely negative to keep this information on a separate page. Personally, I'd be more inclined to remove the "latest stable release" information from
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So at the very least, the field that displays on the page should say "Developer" and not "Maintainer" - but in truth, there should be two separate fields - one for the person/organisation/group who should be credited with the original authorship/development and another for the
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could then add a "latest type" parameter to make our model more flexible. It would work for alpha, beta, preview, stable, debug... releases. However I don't think non-stable release information are useful. They just make updating the articles more complicated. --
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Is it there for backwards compatibility? (Note it is for a positional parameter instead of a named one). I also haven't found any image named "Image:Versio de la softvaro {{{1}}} (stabila).svg" or similar, neither here or at commons. This is strange...
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pages that are not redirects need to be moved. Because there are some pages that haven't been moved yet, changing this template causes problems. So, apparently all we need to do is finish the moves. That is not as simple as it sounds. I moved the
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I disagree as we sometimes would have to download the software to determine its size. Moreover the more we use dynamic data (latest version, release date...) the more it makes updating articles complicated. And as they say... size doesn't matter.
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I put an example of the template's usage on the template page. It has since been moved to the talk page with no explanation. I don't see why it's better to have an example on the talk page when the rest of the documentation is on the main page.
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Hello lads: I notice that you've been having some troubles with the license field in this template before, and so I'm sorry to stack something more onto you about it. I'd fix it myself, but I'm unsure of how to work #if parameters. Anyhow, over
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in a recent (stable) build of
Mozilla Firefox, the caption overlaps the collapsible bar (including the 'show'/'hide' text. Even if it didn't overlap, I'm not sure the casual surfer would know clicking 'show' would display a screenshot. ¦
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OK - I added an 'author' field (optional), added a note explaining the developer/Maintainer issue and added an 'Author' field to the bzflag example on this talk page (which is actually a PERFECT example of why we need and 'author' entry).
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When a parameter is is not to be used, it is to be left blank. Ideally all parameters should be defined whether they are used or not. So having a defined parameter who's very presence breaks part of the template is counter productive.
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Ah, this is the same issue I reported yet again below. I have left a message on Reedy's talk page to come here and explain why he removed "software" to see what the problem was. Let's get all the problems fixed once and for all. --
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I see it now. You mean the version information? I'm not sure. People around here seem to have a strong desire to obfuscate the version number information. I can't understand what's wrong with just putting it in the infobox.
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Who changed the template so that the title is above the icon? Personally, I think that it gives the box a sort of "stacked" appearence that looks awkward. It was much nicer looking when it was to the left of the
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It's still not right. When I edit the infobox, the field says "developer=" - but when it's displayed, it comes out as "Maintainer". The problem with freeglut is that the author/developer (Pawel W. Olszta) is
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Parameters section and merged Notes in it. I don't know what "Released" should be (release date? "Yes/No"?). Also the Note that the "latest release date" is unnecessary doesn't look quite right.
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you can't just "fix it again" - Reedy clearly reverted for a reason. You need to find out why, and come up with a solution which doesn't create that problem. Just re-adding the same changes would be
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release pages, which gets the correct information to appear in the
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The 'developer' is used for the maintainer, or whoever is responsible. I think you want an 'author' parameter -- that would be a reasonable addition IMO. As a result, you have three options:
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looks very nice with the logo to the left. Probably the solution is to cheat, keep the logo generally to the left but add a break to the logo to put the name below it when needed. See
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indicates. What's more, when copying/pasting the code, it clearly marks which ones are optional and which aren't (instead of having to refer back to the template if in doubt). —
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I was wondering it would be possible to add a second screenshot field to this infobox, for software where the UI is quite different between versions or operating environments?
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I added a parameter named language to allow specifying in which language(s) the software is available. I think three cases can mainly appears: The software is available in:
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moves have already been occurred, I'm thinking it would be easier to accordingly change the wording here and in the
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I removed the edit request template, as the moves seem to have stalled.
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installation (Even these days, people still run low on disk space) --
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