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and brought it here for discussion and consensus. I contend that the original template documentation was correct and where multiple operating systems are listed they should remain in alphabetical order for reasons of neutrality. -
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page on April 20, 2012, and it said that the stable release is "1.9.4 / April 5, 2011; 11 months ago". Then, after probably 10-15 minutes, it said "12 monts ago". I have a screenshot, though
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