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links and stops future debates before they start by providing a clear inclusion criterion. Other editors who support options B argue that O Canada's unique status (which I don't debate) qualifies it for special pleading in this case. Lets refocus on the debate between these two options. Please note that neither option contains GStQ.
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listing chart topping hits that are considered patriotic. And then a final box for songs that are patriotic, but not chart toppers. If there are enough First Nation songs they might deserve their own box, but most likely they will end up in the minor song box. Just my current thoughts, but always open for debate.
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Let's refocus. Every editor that has chimed in has supported one of these two options (I think that's right, sorry if I missed a vote). I would be happy with either, but I think keeping the nav box at the category level (option A) prevents any further special pleading for inclusion of individual song
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As you may have noticed the template has been orphaned - with the reasoning that the template puts the article in an odd category. I think this is the most obscured reasoning I have ever heard for removing a long standing navigational tool. Very odd to think that the cat is more important then help
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Lists are my specialty. Over the next few days I was thinking of drafting something up and seeing what people think. I was thinking a few boxes. One for O Canada, explaining its significance and official standing, one for GStQ explaining its significance to the
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Well, if I'm not mistaken, there is only one editor that hasn't voiced his opinion, and that's Roux. I've contacted him on his talk page. Although, I don't know if
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our readers in navigating a topic. The only reason is this - so its there a way to fix the template to avoid this problem. No point in reverting as he will edit war till he gets his way unless there is a long tlak or we simply fix it. You know what to do to fix it?
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Since the article does not yet exist, that cannot be done and would be subject to a speedy delete as a talk page of an article that does not exist (category G8). I would be happy to start the article in my user space or just create the page in-place as a stub.
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I believe the conclusion was different. It's a parameter in the template and so is acceptable in any nation article where the royal anthem is not also the national anthem. It was suggested (or at least I thought it was) that we add
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I'm sorry, I had an incomplete understanding of the meanings of "de facto" and "de jure". They would be applicable in a legal sense, but, given that they have other meanings in other contexts, I think they should be avoided.
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If you're talking about the new article, I don't think this is the place to do it. At it's talk page would be more appropriate, I believe. Or, perhaps someone would like to start something up at their sandbox?
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be permanently topicbanned from touching the new article, otherwise this whole argument is just going to flare up again and it's going to become a coatrack for more pro-monarchist POV pushing. →
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Option A seems the best one. Apart from what
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