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table. We do not have enough FvF contestant articles to warrant colouring. Furthermore, I disagree with the orange you used as it made the names difficult to read. (Did you try bold? Or I suggest another colour. Purple?). We should discuss this nearer the end. Especially seeing that the fans will have no other places to colour in later, as
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Well, season's over now. I googled all the fans who don't have articles... which, funnily enough is the lot of them. None of them are particularly notable outside of the show, so I am wont to color in the favorites on their original seasons. Purple's good for me; I think the orange from before is too
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you are upset, but upset you clearly are. This does not give you the right to continually revert this template to remove the link to his article. Your nonsense reasons for removing it are, well, nonsense. The article exists on
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Right, that's my thought also; his notability has built up over the seasons, so he hasn't been granted an article yet. Maybe it can be built after this season is through; who knows, he might win Sprint Player of the Season again (not likely, of course, since he's up against fellow mass-vote winners
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All I know is that this new format is the most ridiculous and unreadable chart I've ever seen. Even as a fan of the show, I find the chart rather difficult to follow with it's numerous blue links and overall messy organization. In particular, the user who changed it in the first place is a possible
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version was/is pretty bad. I am beginning to wonder why we even need this navbox at all. There is already a category, and a great list article. The navbox seems to be completely unnecessary. But, if we need to have a navbox, I would say a simple list of contestants is the best option. Thanks!
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I made an edit to list the names chronologically, but was reverted. I think it is logical because the winners are listed like that too. It makes sense to see the newer players at the end of the list. In my opinion alphabetical list is not as useful because if someone wants to find a specific name
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Clement article has sprung up literally overnight. I don't pretend to be an expert on the inclusion criteria, so I'll hand judgment over to those who are clearer on the subject. I'll just point out that the editor who singlehandedly wrote the article is a new user, this is his first page
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I think this is something better discussed when the season is complete and the "fans" have pages for themselves, as is surely inevitable. However, there are currently only six or so Faves with articles. In All-Stars, we had 17 contestants with pages already which would have been too huge for the
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I'm not a fan either, because it's just so hard to read this way :( I always thought the old one was good, but I would support a new and improved format if we could just come up with something a little more readable than the current one. I'm open to more suggestions if you'd like to discuss :)
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It's a very reasonable explanation; I don't think it's grounds for speedy deletion, though. I guess the closest applicable criterion is G7 (Author requests deletion), but I think there's been too much interest and editing from other editors for that to apply.
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that the end result will be the same, and it very well may be, but I am not as sure as you appear to be, and believe that the template is sufficiently used, and edited by enough different users, to merit a discussion before deletion. --
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The old template had some issues, but nowhere near as many as this one. I think the old problems can be easily solved with minor alterations, rather than such a drastic change. Any suggestions?
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light, and the red is red-link-ish. However, if anyone considers doing *something* on the show as being inclusion criteria, and wants to make fan articles we will have to reconsider. --
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