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template to refer to lists and general articles on different types of percussion instruments. I have just published an edit, to include the "List of percussion instruments by type" in the first row, to illustrate the last idea. Hope you like it. I will not work further on this template, unless I come across more orphaned articles about percussion instruments. At least now I know a bit more about how to de-orphan them.
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Sorry for the late reply, but my selection criteria has been an informal overview of what most percussion instrument handbooks list and write about. Obviously the larger encyclopedias list everything, but an upward of 500 entries is not conducive to a useful template. This is why we have the overview
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It seems that trying to maintain these lists manually will be an impossible task. It would probably be better to have a template that includes the classification, as well as fields for remarks and so on, so the lists can be generated from all the articles. That would also allow the
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I don't understand what this means. For example, the triangle is listed under "Non-pre-determined pitch", whereas it obviously has a fixed pitch determined by its size and shape. The same is true of the cowbell. Elsewhere, many of the instruments listed under "Non-pre-determined pitch" seem to have
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And tam-tams are also a name for some types of
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A flexatone is actually a tuned percussion instrument, capable of playing a melody. Khachaturian wrote the flexatone part notated on a treble clef, and here it is being ably performed:
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