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This is great way to make sure projects never get revived. This is one of the ways we are losing editors. Will never agree to outsiders killing a groups. The reason so many of them die off completely and dont get revived is because some non group members tagged them in-active to begin with.
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I'm proposing that projects that have low numbers, say regularly zero, of unassessed articles never be tagged as inactive in any of the various forms. If people are assessing articles, the project is active. This would only require a change in the template documentation.
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