327:
applies to books, journals, file documents, anything at all, and most especially when trying to track down old, obscure information - or 'signal' - amongst a vast background of 'noise'. So in my use of citation templates, the only thing I want to achieve is to have it display the information in a suitable fashion. I began using 'freehand' references between ref tags. I then "borrowed" citation methods from articles, and became ever more conversant with templates. I still occasionally find myself abandoning templates for a few citations and just doing them 'freehand' the way I started out. Still, I persist with templates because I often find them helpful, and because I keep learning new things. Indeed, I can now write citation templates off the top of my head, only occasionally needing to go to help pages or other articles for ideas.
1105:
reference templates, mostly these issues seem to arise in context of good faith misapprehension, as I discovered in my
Wikijournies to date. Hence elaborations on this user page, for those who seek solution and understanding to find in one place, including of course, myself. One thing arising from the recently added Village pump discussion, is that sometimes there are unforseen issues that need to be worked through, which is a third type of problem: Not the original, and not an artificial one, but one arising from a new range of discussions. At time of this input, those discussions are ongoing.
1109:
overall readability of the page, which were the original changes I'd been pondering on before the recent developments. Some headings will probably stay the same, since I think I've created a couple of links elsewhere using them. But I'll try to consolidate areas where I essentially repeat myself, albeit in different ways. The list section below won't change much beyond the ordinary way it would always have changed: namely, the addition, relocation, or deletion of articles as illustrative examples of referencing styles. I may use the
953:. This has nothing to do with pontifical proclamations on my part. Rather, it comes down to observation, practice, and logic. And if I've arrived at that conclusion, others will have too. Any citation template of any sort, is but a tool to assist in formatting the reference to be displayed. And completely regardless of 'technical' pedantics which can be sometimes misleading, the real issue is the question of the reference itself. That is, the information it contains, and how that information is displayed.
973:, is to get the display I'm seeking. This doesn't mean I always get it right. But it does mean I'm consciously thinking about what I'm trying to achieve with the tool at hand, which is a citation that is accurate and descriptive, but not too unwieldy to read. And if I get that right, no matter what happens to the url, someone intent on finding the source, has been given a good chance of doing so.
184:
153:
122:
515:
process, before we became aware of <nowiki></nowiki> span tags, and before I became aware of how to make displays as above, GyroMagician demonstrated how to display templates using PRE tags. He also demonstrated how to tame a
Hansard reference, which seemed to me recalcitrantly hiding behind parliamentary privilege, and not complying with my attempts at Wikibizzo. Thus:
965:
that the book does physically exist. Therefore, if the reference contains enough information, the book can still be physically tracked down if it continues to exist anywhere in the world. And if an online version is still available (which is likely), then finding the correct source, and updating the url is easier if the reference contains sufficient information.
260:
232:
1108:
The changes so far have had the overall goal of reflecting what has been learned in light of recent developments, while acknowledging enthusiastic, good-faith input others in figuring this stuff out and pointing me to the history. Further updates are pending, but of a more 'ordinary' nature. That is,
1050:
The important difference between these two "embedded" citations is that the Gould citation can be easily repeated throughout the text, because it has <ref name="Gould1990"> in the lead ref tag. All that is needed to facilitate a repeat inline citation is to copy that lead tag, paste it into the
867:
article. The discussion shows how this evolved, as well as being quite a good example of a good faith dialogue by editors genuinely trying to work something out. Please note that reference to other articles in that dialogue is not intended as disparaging. It serves purely the purpose of comparison to
859:
style, which can be used with or without a separate notes and bibliography section, also uses the same two steps. It has an inline citation, and the references are grouped together at the bottom of the article. So with or without separate notes and bibliography sections, it can serve the same purpose
393:
If I'm adding a reference, I find it easier to open a window to edit the entire article, so that I can access the reference section and the section I'm editing, and most importantly, so I can see how the references look at preview. I find I need to do that no matter what referencing method I'm using.
1058:
it can be done, I have deliberately not done it. I'm simply showing how easy it is to go from a one-off citation, to repeat citations. Once you place a name= component into the lead tag, you can leave the full reference embedded in the text, as I have with Gould (1990), or if you want, you can group
968:
This leads back to the way I use citation templates. I sometimes use them in a creative fashion, but it's neither flippant nor accidental. I don't care one iota about the underlying template, which is but a tool to use insofar as it's useful, as any engineer or inventor of any sort would concur (not
964:
Another issue that can arise is changes in urls over time. Where an online book has been cited, this may mean that the online book cannot be accessed via the url provided. However, if the online reference was physically checked at time of creation as a scanned copy of the book, then the fact will be
817:
style, which can be used with a single reference section, or with a notes and bibliography section, as per the
Shakespeare article. I have added a bibliography section on this page to facilitate that style. But the inline citation sits in this page along with the other styles, creates no conflict in
309:
on 21 September 2009. The purpose of list-defined references is to group references in one area in the editing window, declutter the article, and make editing of the article and references easier. This is highlighed in the discussions of July 2009, which can be accessed via the above
Signpost link.
737:
The style is robust enough that one can implement it to solve a specific problem, such as removal of lengthy citations from the article text, while leaving everything else unchanged. Or grouping references in one place for ease of editing, error detection (apart from working through errors you have
603:
After fleshing out some information in an earlier version of this user page about using what I now know are called list-defined references, I wanted to know about the origins of this method. I first picked it up by copying
Chienlit's usage in the Vincenz Priessnitz article. Chienlit's first use was
326:
There is only one gold standard. A reader knowing absolutlely nothing other than the information provided in the reference should be able to track down the original source. In research, there are few things more frustrating than trying to track down a source from a reference that is too vague. This
317:
While the page discusses list-defined references, and I do use them, I don't slavishly follow that approach, nor indeed any approach. This applies also to my use of citation templates. I use them to the extent that they seem helpful. And when I use them, I have one goal only: to get them to display
313:
This page reflects my initiation to that method, which precedes my awareness of the
Signpost links. The page evolved along with my awareness of LDR and citation techniques in general, and my attempts to address various issues that arose along the way, in such a fashion as to be a useful resource to
90:
It will still have something to say on citations, what I've learned and how I use them; it will still give credit where due; and it will still retain some section headings that have links from other pages. But apart from that, it's time for a bit of a revamp. I just don't know how it will shape up,
1104:
The overall message? There are some things that are not problems, unless we try to make them so. Even then, that does not make something that is not a problem into a problem. Rather, it creates a problem of a different sort, with the pseudo-problem serving as a 'straw-man argument'. In the case of
1064:
Regarding citation templates, these sequel essays by Gould on horse phylogeny and the writings thereof are these <ref name="Gould1992pp155-167">{{Cite book|...</ref> and <ref name="Gould1992pp168-181">{{Citation|...</ref> . They both use exactly the same template, with
895:
to use templates to cite in
Harvard style. You can cite Harvard style writing free-hand references (between the ref tags), just as was done for years in books and articles that use the style (there's probably computer programs to do this now, but 'free-hand' will still abound). And it's a safe bet
719:
But the exercise below was far from fruitless. If you read the link to the July 2009 discussions, you'll see that others made similar observations, and came to similar conclusions as us, about circumstances where list-defined references could prove helpful. Different people independently reaching
335:
I have noticed an element of pedantic fundamentalism amongst some editors, which can be reduced to this: "X citation method is the way, the truth and the light". I think this is erroneous. An analysis of my template use shows that I've gravitated towards the most generic templates that do what is
514:
Before we became aware that this technique was called list-defined references, who had developed it, or where the resources were, GyroMagician and I set about thrashing out the pros and cons of this referencing style, and figuring out how to make it easier for ourselves to utilise. Early in that
834:
The {{reflist|2|refs= ... }} is just one potentially useful method, and the templates for generating references are just useful tools. A wholesale change in style isn't necessary. We can utilise these things it insofar as they are useful, or not at all. No harm is done either way. In the same
636:
in
September 2009, then embarking on a brief voyage of re-referencing as she familiarised herself with the method. The Signpost links show the innovation traces back to July 2009, when there was extensive discussion, followed by a straw poll, resulted in strong support for the innovation, and
956:
Some references are quite simple, and comply nicely with template heuristics. Some references are complex and unwieldy. Especially from earlier eras, and/or for reference books which have mutliple publishers in different countries and/or publication variations which can cause confusion. The
389:
This section demonstrates the easiest way that I have found so far to generate list-defined references. It is an amalgam of what I've learned from others, including GyroMagician and
Chienlit, my own practice, and some recent learning from discussions about list-defined references.
879:. One of the problems I found when we tried to implement the harvnb style, was that the templates, while useful in some ways, can be finnicky, and can detract from the goal of getting the reference to display the way you want them to, which must always be the goal.
343:
I expect to attempt further restructures, and I have no idea how that will pan out. Meantime, you can still learn from this page, if that is what you are here to do, because the issues I've worked through may be similar to what you're working through.
1051:
desired location, and add a forward slash "/" thus <ref name="Gould1990"/>, allowing this. The other, Scientific
American citation can also be repeated easily enough, by adding a name into the lead tag like this <ref name="Carlisle2004">.
1026:
So, this one, is embedded right here in this sentence, and is simply this: <ref>Carlisle, Rodney (2004). ''Scientific American Inventions and Discoveries'', p.256. John Wiley & Songs, Inc., New Jersey. ISBN 0-471-24410-4.</ref>, from
984:
All of the citation examples below, and elsewhere on this page are inline citations. Inline citation refers to the citation notation in the sentence of a book or article, represented mostly by a number, but occasionally by another symbol, such as
835:
article, some editors can utilise it to solve some problems by grouping references out of the way, while others continue with the style they are familiar with, and use their contribution to tackle other issues. And there's nothing new even about
360:
article on 15 November 2009, I tried it myself. I found it makes articles much easier to read when editing. It also makes it easier to fix up the references themselves, and to pick up errors in both text and refs. After trying this style in the
336:
required. So, "citation" templates tend to present the referencing information just the same as "cite x" templates, but with a lot less stuffing around. None of this means I'm some guru at citations. But it does illustrate a point, which
1129:
The following lists are examples only, of the referencing styles as found. While it can be said that 'mixed breeds' are easier to locate than 'purebreds', the lists are not claimed to be proportionately representative of any style.
887:
The main difference between the Harvard style and list-defined references is that the latter can be used with or without templates, while the Harvard style as utilised in Knowledge (XXG) "relies" on a series of templates.
767:
The chief difference between the above three examples is what is placed between the ref tags <ref name="myRefName">What goes between these tags is up to you, whether freeflow referencing, or templates</ref>
896:
there are examples of 'free-hand Harvard style' to be found in Knowledge (XXG), as there would be people who know the style well, but who are unfamiliar with, or even bamboozled by, Wiki markup. The templates help to
318:
the reference information in a satisfactory manner. For some citations this is straightforward. For some web-sites, and some texts - especially some older books and journals - a bit of creative thinking is required.
851:
in the {{reflist|2|refs= ... }} section. That's the primary difference between list-defined references and the style that places <ref name="Thisbit"> the reference details </ref> within the article.
278:
This is the user page of Wotnow, which is occasionally used as a sandbox for experimentation in Wikibizzos. Who is, or was, Wotnow? Just someone who found life fascinating, but never found a way to make it work.
997:. Contrary to some misconceptions, exactly where the hidden reference template itself sits, whether embedded in the article text, or grouped at bottom (using 'list-defined' or Harvard templates, or both) does
649:
So what now? Before the prehistory enlightenment, Chienlit and I toyed with a couple of terms by which we might call the technique, just for the hell of it, and to make it easier to discuss. I thought of the
409:
Note that if you are transforming from embedded references, they'll continue to show up even if you leave them in place. So if you want, you can use this simply to relocate particularly lengthy refs (per the
860:
as the list-defined references. You can find articles where it does this very nicely. But it can add a layer of referencing complexity that does not warrant the extra fiddling about imposed on editors.
904:
the style. They are tools to help facilitate the style. And tools exist to serve us, not enslave us (though humans have a long history of enslaving themselves to things they invent or acquire).
800:
template, so if your goal is simply to generate list-defined references, you would be safer to use the <ref name="myRefName"/> templates which do the same job and are uncontroversial.
827:
also copied unchanged from the Shakespeare article. Never mind if it's an imperfect reference. It does the job anyway, and like the other references added, is here to illustrate a point.
526:
To format text so the wiki won't format it (if you follow my meaning), put the text inside PRE tags - it appears on the standard toolbar as a W in a red circle with a red line through it.
265:
When it comes to information, what matters is not that you remember everything. What matters is knowing how to find the relevant information, and how to think about it when you find it.
1097:
1083:
762:. In the Paleontology article, the full reference is embedded in the text. I have chosen to use it in 'list-defined' manner here. Both displays look exactly the same to a reader.
1059:
the full reference into the reference section. The choice is yours. The reference will show up exactly the same, and work with other references, no matter which choice you make.
907:
Similarly, list-defined reference templates are about a useful tool for those who recognise and wish to use it. And if one or two individuals implement it in an article, then:
734:
does not require a total change of behaviour by contributing editors. It is but one more handy trick which can make some editing tasks easier. Nothing more, and nothing less.
495:
Second-to-last, do a preview, to make sure your references display correctly. This is recommended no matter which referencing style you use. If all is well, save your changes.
1096:
templates on this page, but I leave the Norbert1948 example as is, since I mention it at the aforementioned discussion, with a link to this section, from my comments in the
483:
Next, insert a forward slash at the end of "myRefname" in the inline citation in the article text, so it looks like this (I made it big so you can see the orange slash).
1113:
column for something else, unless I stumble on a swag of 'purist' examples, which I haven't to date (and while I did initially look, I ain't spending hours searching).
447:
In practice, I lay them out like this, to keep the opening and closing reflist parameters clear of the references, so I don't stuff them up when editing the references.
2141:
189:
158:
127:
720:
similar conclusions in different times suggests some soundness to the idea. It's a good test of the processes by which one arrives at one's own conclusions.
1011:
This one is this <ref name=Smith1978p2>{{Citation|...</ref> , which is another list-defined inline citation, of <ref name=Smith1978p2/>
1008:
This one is this <ref name=SmallTheatre>{{Cite web|...</ref> , which is also a list-defined inline citation, of <ref name=SmallTheatre/>
1044:
Another embedded reference is this which is this <ref name= "Gould1990" >{{Cite book|...</ref>, an inline citation embedded in this sentence.
1065:
the only difference being that I call one "cite xyz", and one "citation". Both work, no problem. And both sit in the same article, causing no problems.
487:
Some editors use {{r|myRefName}} for the inline section, but its use remains contentious, whereas the <ref name=myRefName/> does the same job.
91:
within the limitations of my ability and available time. The page has been provisionally updated to the next occurrance of this orange lettering.
451:
That's the reference prepared. You have to do that anyway, whether you embed them in the article text or group them as list-defined references.
1780:
54:. Be aware that the page may be outdated and that the user whom this page is about may have no personal affiliation with any site other than
1079:
1005:
This one is this <ref name=rsre> {{cite journal |....</ref> , using the list-defined inline citation of <ref name=rsre/>
548:(with apologies to Edgar Allan Whatsisname). And lets face it, having a bit of fun along the way is what keeps lots of editors motivated.
394:
So the fact of having to work in two places for list-defined references doesn't affect the way I'd normally edit when referencing anyway.
99:
Jeez, the reconstruction is taking a long time. But, I'm still around as at 2022. Just flat out making my life work. But I aim to be back
1507:
1068:
This last addition is this <ref name=Norbert1948/> , inserted to show that list-defined references can be generated without the
2001:
1834:
633:
969:
all inventors being engineers, but all inventors having to think about how X can be used to achieve Y). The object for me then,
490:
My recommendation is that if you do wish to implement List-Defined References, you use the <ref name=myRefName/> templates
1804:
425:
Then, insert the full reference where the dots are in the {{reflist|2|refs= ... }}, using standard, all-you-can-eat Wikibizzos.
40:
This is not an encyclopedia article or the talk page for an encyclopedia article. If you find this page on any site other than
1166:
534:
1967:
51:
2126:
616:
That is, there is a prehistory of the Chienlit innovation. In a show of chivalry, Chienlit's inspiration is credited to
1717:
306:
419:{{reflist|2|refs= <ref name="myRefName">{{cite reference details via free-hand or template}}</ref> }}
199:
168:
137:
2084:
1360:
1330:
856:
814:
1415:
847:
List-defined references are a two-step process. You use <ref name=Thisbit/> for the inline citation, and
237:
No person is greater than the cause he or she professes to believe in, lest they become the cause themselves.
2122:
2114:
2110:
1471:
1232:
1156:
608:
article. But after a series of communications, I learned that it traces back beyond Chienlit's first usage.
132:
34:
1825:
1657:
1513:
1325:
1200:
1150:
523:- as I said, Knowledge (XXG) is a monster, it's all there, but sometimes it takes a while to find ;-)
1981:
825:<ref name="Bruce_Shakesperian_Sonnets">Bruce MacEvoy. "", 2005. Retrieved on June 18th.</ref>
1295:
1161:
520:
839:. Many articles have multiple behind-the-scenes editor styles, which show up the same to the reader.
1913:
1380:
1370:
1365:
787:
1742:
1543:
1494:
849:<ref name="Thisbit"> with your reference details between the ref parameters thus </ref>
638:
411:
1844:
1669:
1658:
Chienlit innovation on GyroMagician's talkpage, with synopsis of key points on Wotnow's user page
1591:
1441:
1425:
1385:
1300:
357:
1608:
1558:
864:
2118:
2092:
2017:
1997:
1963:
1830:
1800:
1400:
1395:
1355:
1350:
1345:
1335:
1205:
1181:
1176:
366:
337:
445:
You can list as many references as you want to between the {{reflist|2|refs= ... }} brackets.
437:<ref name="myRefName2">{{cite reference details via free-hand or template}}</ref>
435:<ref name="myRefName">{{cite reference details via free-hand or template}}</ref>
1917:
1723:
1633:
1268:
1118:
104:
1645:
1592:
See also Wiki markup copied from GyroMagician's neat trick on Malvern Water discussion page
738:
detected, errors you weren't even aware of become much easier to detect), and maintenance.
1861:
1410:
1258:
1247:
1220:
288:
194:
267:--Advice from tutor to a room full of students faced with massive amounts of information.
2109:
I will post some references that may help with the {{Citation needed}} template on the
2064:
1548:
1477:
1466:
1405:
1340:
1310:
1187:
1022:
But you can embed citations within the text in the same article, without any conflict.
698:
300:
2135:
1921:
1820:
1713:
1436:
1430:
1390:
1305:
1253:
958:
936:(h) contains a potential good that can be capitalised upon at any time in the future.
605:
362:
353:
163:
1901:
1461:
1420:
1320:
1210:
1028:
1015:
759:
370:
183:
152:
121:
465:
Next, copy the lead tag of your reference, and paste it into the article text thus
1709:
1237:
924:(d) there is information on the innovation for them to consider if they want, so
810:
751:
617:
1887:
716:'s reply. Doesn't have quite the same ring as other options, but there you go.
1698:
1375:
1090:
1072:
1035:
794:
776:
314:
myself and anyone else who might benefit. It's an ongoing process of course.
1452:(Embedded refs, freehand, Harvard and/or other templates, list-defined refs).
927:(e) they should at the very least not feel threatened by others using it, nor
1519:
1482:
1263:
868:
facilitate discussion. That is self-evident if you read the whole dialogue.
2096:
2035:
Gould, Stephen Jay (1992). "The Case of the Creeping Fox Terrier Clone".
1609:
Wiki markup copied from GyroMagician's 'Howto' on Malvern discussion page
1171:
378:
930:(f) compelled to prevent or sanction others from utilising it given that
530:<ref name="myRefName">{{cite STANDARD CITE TEMPLATE}}</ref>
259:
231:
2022:
in Hen's Teeth and Horse's Toes: Further Reflections in Natural History
1242:
1215:
863:
This conclusion was reached after referencing experimentation with the
672:-Chienlit (not to be confused with made-in-China). But that was before
2069:
Cybernetics or Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine
681:
credited Dragons flight. At this point it starts to get messy: maybe
291:
in Knowledge (XXG) when thingamajigging, with of course, Wikibizzos.
558:
While I plodded, keyboard tapping, Hansard caught me, nearly napping
980:
Examples of differing citation templates co-existing without issue
843:
List-defined references and Harvard style: Both two-step processes
2052:
in Bully for Brontosaurus: Further Reflections in Natural History
2037:
in Bully for Brontosaurus: Further Reflections in Natural History
2113:
site, and some information with a wiki quandary question on the
1315:
381:
can be readily copied and pasted into the article being edited.
1590:
The reflist parameters were copied from the greyed area above.
728:
The use of the {{reflist|2|refs= ... }} template to facilitate
724:
The world need not change or end (at least not before tea time)
2117:
site and a "reconciliation / enough is enough" comment on the
1936:
18:
961:
is a good example where confusion is known to have occurred.
564:"'Tis but text", so I muttered, "Comply with Wikibizzo sure?"
1133:
807:<ref>{{Harvnb|Chambers|1923|loc=208–209}}.</ref>
552:
Once upon a midnight dreary, while I edited, weak and weary,
498:
If there are errors, fix them, do a final preview, and save.
65:
1743:
Discussion, poll and implementation of reference refinement
1646:
Chienlit innovation - brief summary on Kudgpung's talk page
414:
article), or clusters of refs, and leave others in place.
1539:
List of pages with relevant templates in one handy place.
503:
This page has been provisionally updated up to this point.
915:(a) other editors should not feel compelled to use it, as
427:
Remember the closing brackets, so the references show up.
1962:, Leicester, UK: Leicester University Press, p. 2,
921:(c) it's a tool for them to use if it benefits them, and
772:
List-defined references could also be facilitated using
555:
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore,
405:
First, the 'References' section header, after which goes
1687:
1623:(Found 11.01.2010, while acknowledging Chienlit's role)
1620:
1553:
945:
Must templates be used in an exactly prescribed manner?
872:
340:
consistently made: seek the general from the specific.
561:
As with energy still sapping, applying Wikibizzo cure.
790:. However, some controversy surrounds the use of the
87:
THIS USER PAGE IS UNDERGOING A BIT OF RECONSTRUCTION.
876:
2071:, Paris, Hermann et Cie - MIT Press, Cambridge, MA.
2039:. London, England: Penguin Books. pp. 155–167.
2024:. London, England: Penguin Books. pp. 177–186.
1996:, p.256. John Wiley & Songs, Inc., New Jersey.
1001:define whether or note it is an 'inline' citation.
2054:, London, England: Penguin Books, pp. 168–181
1634:Chienlit innovation named to facilitate discussion
1086:Since adding the Norbert ref, I have replaced all
374:
2050:Gould, Stephen Jay (1992), "Life's Little Joke",
1559:GyroMagician's 'Howto' on Malvern discussion page
918:(b) it will sit easily with their own style, but
356:'s implementation of a reference update for the
2121:site. Many thanks for your resolution of that.
1799:(3rd ed.). Blackwell Science. p. xi.
469:
454:
431:
417:
397:
1994:Scientific American Inventions and Discoveries
1474:(Good Article-GA. Primarily list-defined refs)
1141:E.g.'s with refs embedded in the article text.
883:Template or not template? That is the question
1014:So is this, which was this {{r|Brit1}}, from
8:
2012:
2010:
1779:harvnb error: no target: CITEREFGrady2001b (
1586:
1584:
1078:templates, per recent discussion on this at
1688:The beginning of enlightenment for Chienlit
1603:
1601:
1599:
1125:Examples of articles using different styles
742:For example, this reference, is this style
689:And now, for something completely different
707:innovation, which we now know courtesy of
2142:Knowledge (XXG) good article contributors
1489:Harvard templates & list-defined refs
871:The Harvard templates can also pose some
612:Or: Prehistory of the Chienlit innovation
2091:, vol. 2, Oxford: Clarendon Press,
2020:(1990). "Hen's Teeth and Horse's Toes".
1874:
1765:(1823–5); and Victor Hugo's prefaces to
1580:
756:<ref name="CowenHistLifeEd3Pxi"/>
572:But setting forth with no more to show,
533:where STANDARD CITE TEMPLATE is one of
299:This page largely describes the use of
1857:
1853:
1842:
1774:
1516:(FA: freehand & template embedding
456:...paste it into the article text thus
1761:(1795); Stendhal's two-part pamphlet
1549:Help page for List-defined references
782:templates, like this, which was this
7:
754:article. And this reference is this
703:is the help pages name given to the
632:reports becoming enlightened by the
254:
226:
178:
147:
116:
1510:(freehand & template embedding)
823:But this reference, is this format
805:Now this reference, is this format
540:This inspired what could be called
373:, how to make a simple template as
63:. The original page is located at
1939:. The Theatre of Small Convenience
1937:"The Theatre of Small Convenience"
1508:Evolutionary developmental biology
1291:(Freehand, any template, or both).
1054:However, apart from demonstrating
14:
1544:Templates in July 2009 Discussion
1250:(Mostly template. Some freehand).
900:the style. But the templates are
818:doing so, and shows up as normal.
746:. So too is this, which is this,
385:How I do list-defined referencing
1890:", 2005. Retrieved on June 18th.
1759:Wilhelm Meister's Apprenticeship
1670:Chienlit innovation acknowledged
1501:Harvard templates & embedded
1456:Embedded & list-defined refs
322:The gold standard in referencing
258:
230:
182:
151:
120:
112:Some contributions along the way
2129:) 17:24, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
1741:Dragpms flight (26 July 2009).
1728:
1725:
1694:
1691:
1683:
1680:
1121:) 03:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
1041:template per the above example.
957:trans-Atlantic publications of
809:also copied unchanged from the
712:
709:
677:
674:
668:
665:
659:
656:
629:
626:
621:
618:
596:
593:
581:And all recalcitrance, it died.
501:
473:
98:
95:
84:
1935:Neale, Dennis (22 July 2009).
1829:. W. W. Norton & Company.
1167:Captain K.G. "Ken" Jackson MBE
705:Dragons flight-Maedin-Chienlit
683:Dragons flight-Maedin-Chienlit
599:voyages, and Chienlit chivalry
1:
1621:Chienlit's ABC of referencing
1554:Chienlit's ABC of referencing
748:<ref name=Grady2001b/>
744:<ref name="myRefName"/>
637:subsequent implementation by
587:Quoth the Hansard "Nevermore"
575:GyroMagician tried Wikibizzo.
567:Quoth the Hansard "Nevermore"
371:Malvern water discussion page
60:pedia
46:pedia
31:pedia
1619:Chienlit (26 October 2009).
369:kindly demonstrated, on the
107:) 00:43, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
1082:, which has since moved to
663:, and I then thought maybe
604:on 17 October 2009, in the
592:Signposts, flying dragons,
218:A couple of lifelong quotes
2158:
1922:10.1088/0305-4624/16/1/401
1668:Wotnow (11 January 2010).
1607:Oh lookee. Holy cow. Wow.
1433:(DYK main page 10.01.2010)
1031:, which also contains the
976:Now then, where's my tea?
933:(g) it will do no harm and
509:
458:<ref name=myRefName>
1992:Carlisle, Rodney (2004).
1958:Smith, Brian S. (1978) ,
1902:"The history of the RSRE"
1900:Putley, Ernst H. (1985).
1656:Wotnow (6 January 2010).
1644:Wotnow (6 January 2010).
1632:Wotnow (6 January 2010).
1361:History of the automobile
1331:Chester Grosvenor and Spa
891:But of course, you don't
584:Need more Wikibizzo-cure?
510:GyroMagician's neat trick
399:{{reflist|2|refs= ... }}
1982:Britannica, Alfred Nobel
1416:Rock Creek Canyon Bridge
634:Knowledge (XXG) Signpost
578:Hansard verily complied.
542:The Wikibizzo Compliance
331:Citation fundamentalists
295:Examples of Wikibizzoing
2115:Malvern, Worcestershire
2111:Edmund Bordeaux Szekely
1753:Grady cites Voltaire's
1719:List defined references
1472:Malvern, Worcestershire
1288:List-defined references
1233:Dialectical materialism
1157:Captain Charles Johnson
865:Malvern, Worcestershire
731:list-defined references
700:List-defined references
302:List-defined references
133:Malvern, Worcestershire
57:Wiki
43:Wiki
28:Wiki
2105:Szekely, Malvern, etc.
1826:Guns, Germs, and Steel
1514:M249 light machine gun
1449:Combinations of styles
1326:Captain R. T. Claridge
1201:Brachial plexus injury
1151:Anna Laetitia Barbauld
1084:Centralised discussion
544:poem, or perhaps just
479:
472:<ref name=myRefName
461:
441:
421:
401:
16:Knowledge (XXG) editor
2089:The Elizabethan Stage
1906:Physics in Technology
1888:Shakespeare's Sonnets
1763:Racine et Shakespeare
1755:Philosophical Letters
1716:(21 September 2009).
1296:Abantiades latipennis
1227:Simple & template
1162:Captain E.G. Beaumont
1153:(Featured article-FA)
1145:Simple freehand style
813:article. It uses the
654:. Chienlit suggested
521:Template:Cite hansard
519:Here's a neat trick:
377:, from which bits of
1960:A History of Malvern
1914:Institute of Physics
1522:(template embedding)
1381:Louis-Nicolas Robert
1371:Jules-Albert de Dion
1366:History of the Earth
788:History of the Earth
348:My initiation to LDR
287:Wikibizzos comprise
1771:William Shakespeare
1686:(14 October 2009).
1495:William Shakespeare
1100:of that discussion.
652:Chienlit innovation
639:User:Dragons flight
412:William Shakespeare
214:(not coffee break)
200:good article status
169:good article status
138:good article status
2123:Michael P. Barnett
2018:Gould, Stephen Jay
1852:Unknown parameter
1795:Cowen, R. (2000).
1721:notified as active
1565:Reference examples
1442:Vincenz Priessnitz
1426:Stonyhurst College
1386:Organic solar cell
1301:Anne Dallas Dudley
877:broken harvnb refs
855:But note that the
358:Vincent Priessnitz
307:notified as active
283:Wikibizzos defined
50:you are viewing a
2119:Rosalind Franklin
1757:(1733); Goethe's
1724:Found courtey of
1531:
1530:
1401:Myrmecia esuriens
1396:Masquerade (book)
1356:Harry John Lawson
1351:Ernest Shackleton
1346:Elaine M. Goodwin
1336:Coton in the Elms
1277:Harvard templates
1206:Dawkins vs. Gould
1182:Stephen Jay Gould
1177:Positive feedback
1111:Harvard templates
433:{{reflist|2|refs=
338:Stephen Jay Gould
276:
275:
271:
270:
248:
247:
243:
242:
239:--Me, circa 1985.
206:
205:
175:
174:
144:
143:
81:
80:
2149:
2099:
2072:
2062:
2056:
2055:
2047:
2041:
2040:
2032:
2026:
2025:
2014:
2005:
1990:
1984:
1979:
1973:
1972:
1955:
1949:
1948:
1946:
1944:
1932:
1926:
1925:
1897:
1891:
1886:Bruce MacEvoy. "
1884:
1878:
1872:
1866:
1865:
1859:
1858:|orig-date=
1855:
1850:
1848:
1840:
1817:
1811:
1810:
1792:
1786:
1784:
1751:
1745:
1739:
1733:
1730:
1727:
1707:
1701:
1697:'s amendment of
1696:
1693:
1685:
1682:
1678:
1672:
1666:
1660:
1654:
1648:
1642:
1636:
1630:
1624:
1617:
1611:
1605:
1594:
1588:
1577:
1576:
1572:
1269:Thermoregulation
1184:(1 template ref)
1134:
1095:
1089:
1080:the Village pump
1077:
1071:
1040:
1034:
996:
990:
875:and a number of
873:technical issues
857:Harvard citation
850:
815:Harvard citation
799:
793:
781:
775:
750:copied from the
714:
711:
679:
676:
670:
667:
661:
658:
631:
628:
623:
620:
598:
595:
505:
475:
289:whatchamacallits
262:
255:
250:
249:
234:
227:
222:
221:
186:
179:
155:
148:
124:
117:
108:
96:
92:
77:
74:
71:
68:
62:
61:
58:
49:
47:
44:
33:
32:
29:
19:
2157:
2156:
2152:
2151:
2150:
2148:
2147:
2146:
2132:
2131:
2107:
2085:Chambers, E. K.
2083:
2080:
2075:
2063:
2059:
2049:
2048:
2044:
2034:
2033:
2029:
2016:
2015:
2008:
1991:
1987:
1980:
1976:
1970:
1957:
1956:
1952:
1942:
1940:
1934:
1933:
1929:
1899:
1898:
1894:
1885:
1881:
1873:
1869:
1854:|origdate=
1851:
1841:
1837:
1819:
1818:
1814:
1807:
1797:History of Life
1794:
1793:
1789:
1778:
1752:
1748:
1740:
1736:
1708:
1704:
1679:
1675:
1667:
1663:
1655:
1651:
1643:
1639:
1631:
1627:
1618:
1614:
1606:
1597:
1589:
1582:
1578:
1574:
1570:
1568:
1567:
1537:
1532:
1527:
1453:
1411:Robert brothers
1292:
1259:Robert Sapolsky
1248:Human evolution
1221:Richard Dawkins
1197:
1196:(Any template).
1142:
1127:
1098:neutral section
1093:
1087:
1075:
1069:
1045:
1038:
1032:
992:
986:
982:
947:
885:
848:
845:
797:
791:
779:
773:
726:
696:
691:
647:
614:
601:
531:
512:
504:
488:
480:
477:
462:
446:
442:
438:
436:
434:
426:
422:
402:
387:
352:After noticing
350:
333:
324:
297:
285:
272:
266:
244:
238:
220:
212:
207:
195:Malvern College
192:helped promote
176:
161:helped promote
145:
130:helped promote
114:
89:
72:
69:
67:https://en.wiki
66:
64:
59:
56:
55:
45:
42:
41:
39:
30:
27:
26:
17:
12:
11:
5:
2155:
2153:
2145:
2144:
2134:
2133:
2106:
2103:
2102:
2101:
2079:
2076:
2074:
2073:
2065:Norbert Wiener
2057:
2042:
2027:
2006:
1985:
1974:
1968:
1950:
1927:
1892:
1879:
1867:
1835:
1821:Diamond, Jared
1812:
1805:
1787:
1746:
1734:
1702:
1673:
1661:
1649:
1637:
1625:
1612:
1595:
1579:
1566:
1563:
1562:
1561:
1556:
1551:
1546:
1536:
1533:
1529:
1528:
1525:
1524:
1523:
1517:
1511:
1498:
1497:
1486:
1485:
1480:
1478:Nervous system
1475:
1469:
1467:John D. Barrow
1464:
1451:
1446:
1445:
1444:
1439:
1434:
1428:
1423:
1418:
1413:
1408:
1406:Pierre Giffard
1403:
1398:
1393:
1388:
1383:
1378:
1373:
1368:
1363:
1358:
1353:
1348:
1343:
1341:Cromwell Dixon
1338:
1333:
1328:
1323:
1318:
1313:
1311:Arthur Rudolph
1308:
1303:
1298:
1290:
1285:
1284:
1283:
1273:
1272:
1271:
1266:
1261:
1256:
1251:
1245:
1240:
1235:
1224:
1223:
1218:
1213:
1208:
1203:
1195:
1193:Template style
1191:
1190:
1188:William Harvey
1185:
1179:
1174:
1169:
1164:
1159:
1154:
1140:
1132:
1126:
1123:
1102:
1101:
1066:
1061:
1060:
1052:
1047:
1046:
1042:
1020:
1019:
1012:
1009:
1006:
981:
978:
946:
943:
942:
941:
940:
939:
938:
937:
934:
931:
928:
925:
922:
919:
916:
884:
881:
844:
841:
832:And the point?
829:
828:
820:
819:
802:
801:
769:
768:
764:
763:
725:
722:
695:
692:
690:
687:
646:
643:
613:
610:
600:
590:
589:
588:
585:
582:
579:
576:
573:
569:
568:
565:
562:
559:
556:
553:
529:
528:
527:
524:
511:
508:
507:
506:
502:
499:
496:
485:
484:
471:
468:
467:
466:
453:
449:
448:
430:
429:
428:
416:
407:
406:
396:
386:
383:
349:
346:
332:
329:
323:
320:
296:
293:
284:
281:
274:
273:
269:
268:
263:
253:
246:
245:
241:
240:
235:
225:
219:
216:
211:
208:
204:
203:
187:
177:
173:
172:
156:
146:
142:
141:
125:
115:
113:
110:
94:
93:
85:
79:
78:
73:ki/User:Wotnow
22:
15:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
2154:
2143:
2140:
2139:
2137:
2130:
2128:
2124:
2120:
2116:
2112:
2104:
2098:
2094:
2090:
2086:
2082:
2081:
2077:
2070:
2066:
2061:
2058:
2053:
2046:
2043:
2038:
2031:
2028:
2023:
2019:
2013:
2011:
2007:
2003:
2002:0-471-24410-4
1999:
1995:
1989:
1986:
1983:
1978:
1975:
1971:
1965:
1961:
1954:
1951:
1938:
1931:
1928:
1923:
1919:
1915:
1911:
1907:
1903:
1896:
1893:
1889:
1883:
1880:
1876:
1875:Chambers 1923
1871:
1868:
1863:
1846:
1838:
1836:0-393-31755-2
1832:
1828:
1827:
1822:
1816:
1813:
1808:
1802:
1798:
1791:
1788:
1782:
1776:
1772:
1768:
1764:
1760:
1756:
1750:
1747:
1744:
1738:
1735:
1732:
1722:
1720:
1715:
1711:
1706:
1703:
1700:
1689:
1677:
1674:
1671:
1665:
1662:
1659:
1653:
1650:
1647:
1641:
1638:
1635:
1629:
1626:
1622:
1616:
1613:
1610:
1604:
1602:
1600:
1596:
1593:
1587:
1585:
1581:
1573:
1564:
1560:
1557:
1555:
1552:
1550:
1547:
1545:
1542:
1541:
1540:
1534:
1521:
1518:
1515:
1512:
1509:
1506:
1505:
1504:
1502:
1496:
1493:
1492:
1491:
1490:
1484:
1481:
1479:
1476:
1473:
1470:
1468:
1465:
1463:
1460:
1459:
1458:
1457:
1450:
1447:
1443:
1440:
1438:
1437:Tomb of Hafez
1435:
1432:
1431:Thomas Humber
1429:
1427:
1424:
1422:
1419:
1417:
1414:
1412:
1409:
1407:
1404:
1402:
1399:
1397:
1394:
1392:
1391:Malvern Water
1389:
1387:
1384:
1382:
1379:
1377:
1374:
1372:
1369:
1367:
1364:
1362:
1359:
1357:
1354:
1352:
1349:
1347:
1344:
1342:
1339:
1337:
1334:
1332:
1329:
1327:
1324:
1322:
1319:
1317:
1314:
1312:
1309:
1307:
1306:Archaeopteryx
1304:
1302:
1299:
1297:
1294:
1293:
1289:
1286:
1281:
1280:
1279:
1278:
1274:
1270:
1267:
1265:
1262:
1260:
1257:
1255:
1254:Marvin Harris
1252:
1249:
1246:
1244:
1241:
1239:
1236:
1234:
1231:
1230:
1229:
1228:
1222:
1219:
1217:
1214:
1212:
1209:
1207:
1204:
1202:
1199:
1198:
1194:
1189:
1186:
1183:
1180:
1178:
1175:
1173:
1170:
1168:
1165:
1163:
1160:
1158:
1155:
1152:
1149:
1148:
1147:
1146:
1139:
1138:Refs embedded
1136:
1135:
1131:
1124:
1122:
1120:
1116:
1112:
1106:
1099:
1092:
1085:
1081:
1074:
1067:
1063:
1062:
1057:
1053:
1049:
1048:
1043:
1037:
1030:
1025:
1024:
1023:
1017:
1013:
1010:
1007:
1004:
1003:
1002:
1000:
995:
989:
979:
977:
974:
972:
966:
962:
960:
959:Grays Anatomy
954:
952:
944:
935:
932:
929:
926:
923:
920:
917:
914:
913:
912:
911:
910:
909:
908:
905:
903:
899:
894:
889:
882:
880:
878:
874:
869:
866:
861:
858:
853:
842:
840:
838:
833:
826:
822:
821:
816:
812:
808:
804:
803:
796:
789:
785:
784:{{r|diamond}}
778:
771:
770:
766:
765:
761:
757:
753:
749:
745:
741:
740:
739:
735:
733:
732:
723:
721:
717:
715:
706:
702:
701:
693:
688:
686:
684:
680:
671:
662:
653:
644:
642:
640:
635:
624:
611:
609:
607:
606:Hubert Latham
591:
586:
583:
580:
577:
574:
571:
570:
566:
563:
560:
557:
554:
551:
550:
549:
547:
543:
538:
537:. Very neat.
536:
525:
522:
518:
517:
516:
500:
497:
494:
493:
492:
491:
482:
481:
478:
464:
463:
460:
459:
452:
444:
443:
440:
424:
423:
420:
415:
413:
404:
403:
400:
395:
391:
384:
382:
380:
376:
372:
368:
364:
363:Malvern water
359:
355:
354:User:Chienlit
347:
345:
341:
339:
330:
328:
321:
319:
315:
311:
308:
305:, originally
304:
303:
294:
292:
290:
282:
280:
264:
261:
257:
256:
252:
251:
236:
233:
229:
228:
224:
223:
217:
215:
210:Section break
209:
201:
197:
196:
191:
188:
185:
181:
180:
170:
166:
165:
164:Malvern water
160:
157:
154:
150:
149:
139:
135:
134:
129:
126:
123:
119:
118:
111:
109:
106:
102:
88:
83:
82:
75:
53:
38:
36:
23:
21:
20:
2108:
2088:
2078:Bibliography
2068:
2060:
2051:
2045:
2036:
2030:
2021:
1993:
1988:
1977:
1959:
1953:
1941:. Retrieved
1930:
1909:
1905:
1895:
1882:
1870:
1860:suggested) (
1824:
1815:
1796:
1790:
1770:
1766:
1762:
1758:
1754:
1749:
1737:
1718:
1705:
1676:
1664:
1652:
1640:
1628:
1615:
1538:
1503:(any style)
1500:
1499:
1488:
1487:
1462:Alfred Nobel
1455:
1454:
1448:
1421:Simon Radley
1321:Bob Maitland
1287:
1282:Article name
1276:
1275:
1226:
1225:
1211:Paleontology
1192:
1144:
1143:
1137:
1128:
1114:
1110:
1107:
1103:
1094:}}
1088:{{
1076:}}
1070:{{
1055:
1039:}}
1033:{{
1029:Alfred Nobel
1021:
1016:Alfred Nobel
998:
993:
987:
983:
975:
970:
967:
963:
955:
950:
948:
906:
901:
897:
892:
890:
886:
870:
862:
854:
846:
836:
831:
830:
824:
806:
798:}}
792:{{
786:copied from
783:
780:}}
774:{{
760:Paleontology
755:
747:
743:
736:
730:
729:
727:
718:
708:
704:
699:
697:
682:
673:
664:
655:
651:
648:
615:
602:
545:
541:
539:
532:
513:
489:
486:
470:
457:
455:
450:
432:
418:
408:
398:
392:
388:
367:GyroMagician
351:
342:
334:
325:
316:
312:
301:
298:
286:
277:
213:
193:
162:
131:
100:
97:
86:
70:pedia.org/wi
24:
1806:063204444-6
1775:Grady 2001b
1769:(1827) and
1690:Sparked by
1238:Entomophagy
811:Shakespeare
752:Shakespeare
625:. In turn,
546:The Hansard
52:mirror site
1969:0904387313
1877:, 208–209.
949:In short,
645:Or: Wotnow
25:This is a
1943:8 January
1856:ignored (
1845:cite book
1777:, 272–274
1520:Wakefield
1483:Taraxacum
1264:Teleology
365:article,
190:This user
159:This user
128:This user
35:user page
2136:Category
2087:(1923),
2067:(1948),
1916:: 5–18.
1823:(1999).
1773:(1864).
1767:Cromwell
1731:'s reply
1714:Ragesoss
1535:See also
1172:Ontogeny
694:The name
379:Wikitext
1699:Le Vélo
1376:Le Vélo
1243:Feather
1216:Primate
994:‡
988:†
758:, from
2097:336379
2095:
2000:
1966:
1833:
1803:
1712:&
1710:Phoebe
1569:": -->
1526:
1115:Wotnow
971:always
101:Wotnow
660:Innov
535:these
375:below
2127:talk
2093:OCLC
1998:ISBN
1964:ISBN
1945:2010
1862:help
1831:ISBN
1801:ISBN
1781:help
1571:edit
1316:Athy
1119:talk
893:have
837:that
657:Maed
476:>
439:}}
105:talk
1918:doi
1729:din
1726:Mae
1695:din
1692:Mae
1684:din
1681:Mae
1056:how
999:not
991:or
902:not
898:use
713:din
710:Mae
678:din
675:Mae
669:din
666:Mae
630:din
627:Mae
622:din
619:Mae
597:din
594:Mae
198:to
167:to
136:to
2138::
2009:^
1912:.
1910:16
1908:.
1904:.
1849::
1847:}}
1843:{{
1598:^
1583:^
951:no
685:.
641:.
2125:(
2100:.
2004:.
1947:.
1924:.
1920::
1864:)
1839:.
1809:.
1785:.
1783:)
1575:]
1117:(
1091:r
1073:r
1036:r
1018:.
795:r
777:r
474:/
202:.
171:.
140:.
103:(
76:.
48:,
37:.
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.
