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from the Law of return unless they go through a full conversion to either
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260:) 23:21, 29 September 2012 (UTC) Email me and I will send you what I have. But it will be original research which is why I can not mention it in the English wiki. Nothing can be put into the article about it either way without a public press release. If you find anything in writing please do let me know.
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Crimean Karayim were expelled by Stalin after WWII. Now after they permitted to go back there some conflicts regarding real statement and budgets for autohont nations.It is strange for me that you did not hear nothing about that. From
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Karaimi-Karaylar who managed to get into Israel before Universal Karaite Judaism was established, and I met one there, but the law is not the same now. If you have a written source it would be extremely helpful to insert it into the article. But since Moshe Firrouz came to
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Russian article. There are a few questions which I have about some of your sources, e.g. the Sokhnut have told me unequivically that Karaimi-Karaylar are absolutely excluded
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