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1189:.I get that youre saying that you're not able to see a plan here. You're saying staying away is the solution, im saying getting back is the solution. If you unblock me soon, it will allow me to learn more in the next "6-12months" and id be better geared than if i join back in that amount of time. I wont submit AKshay Agrawal article till I have solidly reffed it and run it past you and any other admins/users you ask me to run it by. Im gonna repeat it, the only mistake ive made was with templates and ive fixed that. asking me to stay away for 6 - 12 months is a little too much punishment/penalty/damage.
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1332:(ill even make it humorous) and list out my heinous crimes there? How about this, Ive been active for about 4 months right ? Block me for a month. Thats a straight off 25% penalty.
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