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Delpher is solid, just they tend to not cover the Giro at the lengths you or I would require. I was stoked when I saw those books and got scans of them on my hard drive to use, but so far they haven't been as much help as I would've desired. In one of the books, or maybe it was
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Kennedy Brothers sources I poached from you! I don't know how you came across these series of books, but I'm excited for their potential. After seeing you initially post these I tried to find them online and they seem to be quite rare, although I did find some on
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Molteni riders took up the next four positions on the GC. I'll have a dig around and get it right. Thanks
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From the 1971 Bike Race Info page: "The prologue times were calculated by adding up the times of the first five riders of each team and did not apply to the riders' individual GC, but did count towards the Team GC competition", so I guess it was along the lines of what I was thinking. It's just not
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