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because the staff can't find an answer. If I do ever happen to get a hold of or meet up with Norm Pirtovshek and ask him where Pharaoh's Eye Currently is, then can I add where it was sold to? It probably is him on Twitter as it took him a few days to get back to me but, I agree, I can't be too sure of that as it could have been someone else he works with or someone who just isn't the General Manager or related to the park at all. By the way, I am Johnlloyd on CWMania and have been a member since May 2012. I am a huge fan of Canada's Wonderland especially when it comes to history of the park as you've probably have seen my findings shared under the topic "Retro Wonderland". I do look forward to contributing information about Canada's Wonderland with you and hope to improve the Canada's Wonderland Knowledge (XXG) Pages as time passes.

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into the Leviathan website a few days before the photos leaked out but I wasn't a member on any forums at that time!), so unless Wonderland hasn't learned their lesson, you can bet on me finding something before an announcement (yep, I'm that guy that likes spoiling things....it's a bad trait of mine)! I think my highlight was somehow getting Matcom to tell me that there was a drop track on WMG (but on CW Mania I just said a 30-foot drop ;) ). So what do you think 2016 or 2017....I'm on the 2016 boat.

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Hey there! Great to see that your interested in the GA process. Overall, for a first review, you got the general idea of what is expected in a GA. However, I did notice that more attention needs to be put on the references. Just some pointers that should be addressed for this review and future ones:

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Hello Dom497, I am just a bit curious as regards to some of my reviews. I noticed I never received points for 3 of my reviews. You said “No time given for the reviewer to address the issues”, I am not quite sure in context what that means.I also noticed my scoring went down from 33 to 18, This was

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I was of the understanding that I could start reviewing when it was July 1st under UTC time, but I realise the official rules were vague on that. While I'd love more fake internet points, you don't have to give them another review, but if you're helping write the rules next year it would be good to

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I never even knew the copyvio tool existed; going to make my life a lot easier now! But it looks like, for the most part, only words/pairs of words are highlighted as copyvios, not entire sentences. However, there are some full sentences that are highlighted, so I would suggest asking the nominator

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Well, you do have some options. If you can find another use who would be willing to continue or start the review over that can be done on the same review page (so you don't need to renominate); it's like asking for a second opinion. The other option is to place the review status as "Second Opinion"

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give the nominator time to adress issues, I followed GA rules when I failed it after a thourough review since I felt there was no way it could be brought up to scratch in seven days time. Anyway, I accept if you follow the GA Cup rules strictly here, I simply assumed a fail after a thorough review

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Overall, this review is pretty good (it's way better than my first review!). Just remember that because there are references in the article, that does not mean the article passes 2A and 2B. The references need to formatted correctly. Also, remember that references need to be reliable (this doesn't

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For the "Career statistics" section, I don't see why the sub-section "Club" is needed. Also, this is more of a pet-peeve I have, but I always encourage people to put text in every section; rather than having a table. Ask the nominator to include some text that summarizes the table. Maybe something

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This is simply confusion among the judges (yay....). The Cube review should not receive any points; the same goes with the other review you linked. Per the GA Cup quick fail rule b), no points will be awarded if, "the reviewer does not allow the nominator to address any issue" (so it's not really

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him, but our knowledge isn't good enough for Wiki. I've actually enjoyed the Retro Wonderland forum...pretty interesting stuff! I'm constantly on a search for finding leaks of the 2016/2017 project (I have some techniques (that are legal!) that I used to leak a photo of WMG. I also managed to get

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Hello Dom497, I am responding back to the response you left on my talk page. I realize that Twitter can be quite unreliable as it is open to anyone. I tried emailing the park but, you know how that is, they hardly get back when I had emailed them during the off-season or they never get back to me

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Hi, I think it's clear the maskirovka GA process is stalled because the reviewer doesn't understand the process (he's never done one before). It needs to be moved on. Since there is no mechanism to hand over to another reviewer (which is what would be best), pass or fail are the only options.

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Hey Dom, so I did as what was requested about a piece in the Signpost--well, kinda. You suggested that I write an intro, which I did, but then I went on and just wrote the whole thing. I couldn't stop! I hope that's okay. Anyway, it's in my sandbox

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Per the instructions, "If you participated in the 2014-15 GA Cup, your submissions page still exists. When you enter your username, you will be taken to your page. Please remove all the content in it and replace it with the content from Step

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status: we now have 158 GAs and 3 FAs that we can all be proud of! It doesn't stop here, for me at least, I'm going to keep up with improving the quality of the GAs and look for more FA opportunities. Plus, there's the small matter of 70

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to give the nominator time. There should be no rush in completely a GAN (since reviews carry over into the next round if they are not completed by July 29) so that's why this rule exists in the first place). I'm really sorry about the

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I agree that it's an insult. But the rule exists just because we don't want people to start rubber stamping reviews to gain points (we had this issue last year which is why we added the rule). Have a great day as well! :)

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Wow, my bad. I have wiki set to convert all time-stamps/edit times to my local time which is EST (-4 hours). So you actually started the reviews after the Cup began but on my end it said it was still June 39. Sorry about

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I just finished my first GA review and, since you' re a mentor, I was wondering if you could take a look to see if it's OK. I put the nomination on hold for several reasons. Any feedback could be really usefull. Thanks.

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Hey Dom497, I do have proof regarding where Pharaoh's Eye is. I had contacted Canada's Wonderland's General Manager, Norm Pirtovshek via Twitter. By the way, I was the one who had posted the information on CWMania.

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Sorry, I only meant to undo the edit where you added a link to Jurassic Park (since the article you linked to was regarding the Hollywood attraction, not Orlando). I have gone ahead and made the appropriate

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removing my previous points that another judge awarded me for The Cube , Are you allowed to remove points after they have been awarded? Thanks for reading and thanks for all your work on the GA Cup so far.

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since you reviewed three of my "at the Summer Olympics" articles. You see, the person who was going to review this is now inactive and it has now been over a month with no comments from anybody. Thanks,

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I cannot access ref 7. Either a new ref needs to be found or the "subscription required" tag is added to the ref. Also, given that this appears to be a news article, there should be a publication date.

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I've replied on the GA page, but just wanted to say I can quite understand if you're leery of complex mil: hist: - but so am I, and this article isn't really about that at all, just a simple topic in

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My submissions page is still the old one from the first GA-cup. Should I just blank in preparation for the new cup? When I try to start up a new submissions page, it directs me to the old one.

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articles you've conducted over the past year. As of this morning, I completed my (initial) goal of ensuing that every Boat Race had, not only its own article, but one that was either of

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I added some stuff. Take a look and feel free to change as needed. Might also be worth getting one of the Signpost editors to look over it now so we can make any changes if needed. :) --

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Fair enough. But well, I don't regret not putting that article on hold, even if it gave me no points. Nominating that was really quite an insult to the GA criteria. Have a nice day!

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Probably because there is both a failed GAN and pass GAN template on the talk page. The bot probably can't figure it out. The Article History template should be used in this case..--

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Hello Dom. I am going to be really busy in the next few months, so I would like to withdraw from the GA Cup. Fingers-crossed you will be able to get someone to replace me. Thanks.

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appear to be a problem in this article; just a friendly reminder). Also, just be careful that the article meets the MoS requirements. If you have any questions, just ask! :) --

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Hey, sorry for taking so long. I completely forgot about replying, sorry. Anyways, IMO, Cinemascare doesn't even seem reliable, so in other words, no. Sorry about the delay.--

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and add a note saying that a new reviewer is needed. The third option, is as you said, to close the review and renominate (anyone can do this, including you). By the way, the

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Thanks for your hard work in judging the GA cup! I noticed that you disqualified two submissions saying that they were started before the GA cup began. Because of the

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But back to Wiki, I look forward with working to you as well, just remember that you can add whatever you want so long as you got a reliable source to prove it. :) --

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Hey there. Just wanted to let you know that if no one picks up the review soon, I'll review it. My exams end on Tuesday so I should be free for most of the week.--

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I just did a quick scan over the refs and clicked on random ones to check. So go over all of them again and double check everything meets reference requirements.

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Sheridan kicked off his career..." - Use of these puns/slang or whatever you want to call it should be avoided in GA's. "Sheridan began his career..." is better.

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The lead should contain something from the "Career statistics". Remember, the lead should mention something that has to do with every section in the article.

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Well, just upon scanning the article, I see that there are un-cited statements, which would be a quick-fail so I suggest you address those issues.--

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the nominator that the article had failed despite passing. Did I do something wrong in the process that caused the wrong notification to go out?

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yet unrated review. I don't wanna be a tattletale, but I'd appreciate it if there was consistency in the way the reviews are rated. Regards,

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to reword those sections. Other than that, the small blocks of words should be fine. Feel free to ask any other questions you may have! :) --

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For your involvement as a judge for the 2014–15 GA Cup. It was a fun and rewarding experience for us all. You guys deserve a barnstar too :)

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If you meet up with Norm you better record him saying it's his twitter!!!! To be completely honest, I wouldn't say "probably", I would say

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IMO, wrestling is non-fiction; since it is not made up (for the most part; if it is scripted I still count that as non-fiction). In the

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Ref 74 has a different publisher name, yet it is still by Soccerway. Make sure that all references match each other (where appropriate).

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Looks good, I made a few minor grammar checks. I'll let it sit and stew a couple of days, then I'll submit it. Thanks, pal!

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Hey Dom, sorry it's been so long for me to get back to you on this article. Are you still hoping for a FAC push on it?

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Ref 43 is missing access date. On that note, a few other ref's don't have access dates. Make sure they all have them!

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Republic of Ireland under-21 team, appearing with the team in 2011 UEFA U21 qualifiers.". Also what does capped mean?

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Thank you for the barnstar and to you for participating! I really hope to see you during the next competition! :) --

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Hey, if you don't have the time to look over the article, just let me know. Life happens so don't worry about it.

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Hey everyone. Some of you probably already know what I'm going to ask, but for the ones that don't, I'm now on my

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Dear Dom497, I gotta say I am a little confused about a rating you gave me in the GA Cup. Namely the one for

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have been put on hold, since it was in a better shape than the Chilavert one. This applies even more to

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is starting a few weeks, so if you do renominate, you may not have to wait a long as you usually do!--

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Hello, I've got too much things to do at the moment, I'll like to forfeit from the 2015 GA Cup.

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I've deleted all in the old submissions page, but the new blanked page is not listed

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Ref 77 is in a foreign language. The language needs to be specified in the reference.

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I have no idea what the Honours section is about. Some text is required to explain.

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allowed). So in the fairness of all other participants, I revoked the points. For

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Sorry but I don't review FAC's. I know it sounds pathetic but I just don't. :) --

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Knowledge (XXG):Featured list candidates/Meghan Trainor discography/archive1

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a good article and would appreciate it if you could write a review on it.

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Hello again, would Ref10 be reliable? . I don't know for sure because on

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is the conversation I had on Twitter with Norm. Best Regards, JohnBrooksj

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has been a useful resource for your work. TWL is expanding rapidly and

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because it lacked comments the previous time. Your comments/vote at the

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Thanks so much!!! Do you think this articles has any chance for FA?--

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In my GA review, I was checking the copyvios status of the article (

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Hey Dom497, just a quick barnstar to say thanks for the reviews of

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Hello, Dom497/Archive. Please check your email; you've got mail!

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I assumed it was something like that. It's no problem. Thanks!

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be more clear about whether the start time is in UTC or local.

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No worries, life happens. But yes, still going for FA. :) --

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Thanks for your review but I do not review FA/FL content.--

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I'll give the reviewer 3 days, then I'll take over. :) --

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it happens right there and then, it's not "imaginary".--

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I don't know why I forgot to put this here earlier...

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would apply to professional wrestling. The review is

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Glad to help! Congrats on reaching your goal! :) --

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