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you professional Wikipedians. It's unrealistic to ever think that will be the case. To be fair, some of you do communicate, on occasion, while some do not. I've had reviewers drop me a message and tell me what was lacking and even tell me the original article was in a draft space and how to access it. That works just fine. It's a win/win. I get educated and Knowledge get's better future articles and maybe gets to keep the one in question. I appreciated that kind of thoughtfulness. Whether this article was deleted or redirected, I had no clue at the time. All I knew was that I could not access it when I tried through normal means. The only way I knew it was gone was that I got a message from a bot saying the image was no longer in use. Maybe it's just something you think I'm supposed to know, but I didn't. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I admit, I'm basically a novice at this stuff. I'm learning. I'm still not sure what you're talking about and how to access the original article but at least now I know that it wasn't deleted so I won't recreate any others. I actually want to do things right the first go round and not create problems.

1344:" instead of "Emilio Castillo; Stephen Kupka; David Garibaldi" might be more efficient when running the code. My issue with this procedure is that it doesn't translate very well to copy and paste. For example, I use Knowledge extensively to update my music tags. If the songwriters are put into an "hlist" I have to do more editing. If they're entered with a comma or an apostrophe to separate the names, those characters are included in the copy/paste actions. So the dilemma, as I see it, is whether to write more efficient code (which should always be done whenever possible) or whether the article should be more user friendly (which I believe takes precedence over everything else, if that doesn't have a great negative impact, obviously). So… 3465:"The fact is this is a run-of-the-mill compilation" That's your opinion and that's part of the problem. Maybe your irritation at my irritation has something to do with your reasoning there. That or you just don't know anything about music. This album got four and one-half stars from AllMusic. If it had another half star it would be perfect in their opinion. True there isn't any other handy press, but there will never be much press on compilation albums, no matter how good they are. That's a fly in the ointment with your notability clause. As long as you guys rely on press coverage as qualification for articles, you'll never be as good as you should be. I admit, it should be a factor. Just not the only deciding factor. 2862:

with multiple declarations. You should be able to understand how this frustrates someone who spends a couple hours writing up a decent article and then is told it doesn't cut the mustard because there are only a couple of sources. This leaves the impression, warranted or not, that you have double standards. Please, don't get mad. I'm not saying you do. I'm just stating what I've read of others frustrations and what I felt myself at first. And I will not point those articles out for you or anyone else because as far as I'm concerned they should be available, with or without references. I went looking for them. Others will, too. If they're deleted, it doesn't help anyone. That's a lose/lose.

3483:"But please go ahead and keep creating articles for every CD in your collection because if you own it, it must be important." I will, and thanks, by the way, for noticing. I really do have good taste in music. It was nice of you to recognize that and awfully big of you to admit it even though you're miffed at me right now. Besides, I've learned that you're not always the person to review one of my articles so some of them get published by someone using a little common sense and I just know there are a lot of music lovers out there who appreciate it when they find an article on Knowledge that somehow slips through your shredder. 4222:

change their original words and you should give them their due credit by naming them as the source. You took two of the three reviewing authors' names out of my original submission. Even if you name the publication they wrote for, I'm not sure if that's entirely ethical. I know if I were Robert Hilburn or Dan MacIntosh, I would feel a bit neglected. Can you explain where I'm in error. I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand so I can learn the process. Regardless, if there's a name to go with a review, I don't believe I can, in good conscious, leave it out of any future articles I may submit.

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All I knew was that I suddenly couldn't find the article. And, yes, that was very irritating to me. I guess I was expected to read all the help sections because nobody notified me that the article was rejected, redirected, etc. That wasn't always the case later on. Some people did let me know what was happening and it made a world of difference. Some of you are great about doing that and I've yet to be irritated with those

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and not hurting anybody. I created it because I went looking for information on this album and found very little. I would imagine there are others out there with that same problem. I know you think you're making Knowledge better by deleting articles that don't have enough press, but you're only half right. And that's a shame.

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I don't understand why this image was removed from the article. It is completely different from the other image on the article. It is legitimate cover art as I own this CD. I'm looking at it right now. I followed the same protocol as others I've posted. ??? I know explanations aren't strictly policy,

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Yea, I figured as much. Some of you guys are perfectly willing to let an article like this one remain. Some of you can't rest until it's gone. I suspect it's an anal fixation, a compulsion. If the article was taking the place of another, better article, I could understand, but it's just sitting there

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I don't mean to be argumentative, but if you guys communicated with me (and others, I'm sure) when an article is redirected and relayed information like you just did, then maybe I'd know that and you wouldn't have to yell at me. As I'm sure you know, most of us aren't as knowledgeable of Knowledge as

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You don't know how much I appreciate the fact that you gave me a chance to fix this article. I've had articles in the past just disappear into the ether and I never knew what happened to them. That's very frustrating. So, thank you. Unfortunately, I can't find any more information on it, so I suppose

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I'm not the only one who gets irritated, not mad, but irritated with how some people with a little power at Knowledge "redirect" without a notification or suggestion of how to make corrections. When I was brand spanking new to Knowledge I didn't know the difference between a redirect and a deletion.

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Added to the article and removed the "Deletion proposal notice" I don't have much hope that this will save it, but it's worth a try. I've said it before and here we are again. Knowledge's notability policy does not do justice to all music albums. By default it practically ushers in all the albums by

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Well, if memory serves me right, the title "Every Mile Mattered" was unavailable to me. I tried it and it redirected me back to the artist's main page. I don't know how to reclaim a title that does that or even if it's OK to do so. In lieu of that, I created a title similar to the hundreds of others

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as reasons as to why these articles should remain. All you have to do is recreate the article at the original title (again, do not create a new one) and make the necessary improvements to ensure notability requirements are met. You can also talk to the person who redirected the article on talk page

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Hi, I'd like to provide you some additional advice regarding your entries, in particular the track listings. When listing the songwriters, you only need to write the full name (with a link) the first time it appears. After that, if it's the same writer on a later track, just put that last name and

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Didn't see much difference, to be honest. The words were changed around (boiled down?) but they basically said the same thing. Maybe prettier. I suppose I can get a bit repetitive over several reviews but I've always been of the opinion that if you're quoting someone's original work you shouldn't

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as reasons as to why these articles should remain." I'm sure you guys get tired of hearing it, but if the shoe fits. I can show you articles that have zero references and lots more, which on first glance, have two or more sources but when you look closely, it turns out there is only one reference

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You get mad because you don’t get notified when someone redirects an article you created and you get mad when you are notified that an article you created is nominated for deletion, which is decided by community consensus (which you are free to take part in, by the way). The fact is this is a

2472:. This latter link will be the most relevant. Do keep in mind, as well, that being here in Articles for Deletion (AfD for short) does not mean that it will be deleted, it means that Citrivescence is seeking consensus on whether it should be deleted - and likely feels that a) a 5234:. Non-free album cover art is generally allowed to be used for primary identification purposes in stand-alone articles about albums, but its use in other articles is generally only allowed when the cover art itself is the subject of sourced critical commentary as explained in 2842:

Re: "The articles you create are often lacking enough independent and reliable sources." True, some of the earlier ones only had one or two references, but like I said, I'm learning. When given an opportunity to improve them, I believe I have done so in most cases.

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run-of-the-mill compilation (maybe there should be articles for every album in those Time-Life collections they show on TV). If something hasn’t received any press, why would Knowledge be the place to go to find info on it. Knowledge was never intended to be a

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is evident. There is no such commentary for this particular album cover anywhere in the article, and the use of soundtrack album cover art in articles about films or TV programs is generally not allowed for this reason as explained in

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about effectively contributing to such discussions is worth a read. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

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people. If prompted, I make suggested corrections and if I can't, then so be it. I even told one person that I couldn't make it any better so they should go ahead and delete it. I didn't even get irritated. Can you believe that?

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Thanks for your input. Much appreciated. I've gone back and fixed the References/External links issue with previous articles I've submitted, which hadn't already been edited. I understand that using "

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tags, and you broke those references. There is no "correct" style for discographies and there is a guideline which specifically prohibits such changes to conform to some imaginary standard,

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I added three additional sources and a Critical reception section for the article. I also removed the Improvement tag thinking the extra sources should be sufficient to keep the article.

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the big corporations and excludes others because that big money isn't promoting them. Someone with some experience in this arena should take a closer look at this particular policy.

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for proper formatting of such references. I notice you use quotation marks around the album titles, when they should be italicized. The template will ensure that happens. Thanks.

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is not the best bet (again, it is not the best bet). Even so, keep up the work and follow the guidelines - remember, in a worst case we can always create a draft for you. =) --

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Hey, HowlinMadMan. Greetings from Seattle. I'm here to answer your question on this - and I've posted on the deletion page itself, but felt it best to cover it here as well.

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this is one that I can't get too upset about being rejected. Maybe I'll revisit it at a future date and see if I can scour up a couple more references. Thanks again.

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but they sure would help a fella understand. I'm gging to put it back up and keep doing so until someone can explain the reasoning behind the removal.

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Just wanted to let you know that I found a URL error in the AllMusic review and corrected it. If you'll check it again it should check good. Thanks.

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I've added a review. Without more reliably-sourced evidence of notability, however, it is likely that this will end up redirected to the group ref

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of all things. But please go ahead and keep creating articles for every CD in your collection because if you own it, it must be important.

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