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1648:- Once again, the Kayi tribe lived in Central Asia and Turkmenistan long before it came to Anatolia. The Kayi tribe is no longer existent in Turkey, but it exists in Turkmenistan and speak the TURKMEN language. I have showed you twice and given you the sources for that, but you INTENTIONALLY refuse to accept the RELIABLE SOURCES. You must be objective in writing an article in Knowledge (XXG) and include the name of the tribe in Turkmen languages, because the Kayi tribe is now a Turkmen tribe. If this article is about the Anatolian portion of the Kayi tribe, then it should be named Anatolian Kayi tribe. - Once again, this is an English language Wikipdeia. In English, the word "Turkish" is relevant to the Turks of Turkey and Turkish minorities in countries adjacent to it. Dede Korkut is an epic of countries, such as Turkmenistan, Azerbajan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Turkey which are collectively called in the English language as 1598:" is an English word meaning all Turkic-speaking people, however the word "Turkish" in the English language means Turks of Turkey and Turkish minorities of some other adjacent countries. This is an English language Knowledge (XXG) and should follow the rules of the English-speaking world. Dede Korkut is part of the folk heritage of all Central Asian Turkic peoples, Azeri Turks and Turkish Turks, so in this case word "Turkic" is relevant. Please revert back this change. 2551: 2323: 2080: 928: 1295: 1810: 2291: 2979: 3240: 3152: 2432: 663: 2818: 1101: 2202: 2747: 2130: 612: 428: 212: 1652:. Here is an execrpt from it: The Turkic peoples are a collection of ethnic groups of Central, East, North and West Asia as well as parts of Europe and North Africa, who speak Turkic languages. This is not your personal web-page where you can write whatever you want, you must follow the Knowledge (XXG) rules of objectivity change "Turkish" to "Turkic". 969:

This is the last warning that needs to be given prior to filing yet another report on you. You have been reverting properly sourced information since you joined Knowledge (XXG) and it is clear from the numerous complaints (including those touching you nationalistic views) from other editors, that you

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Hi Kansas Bear, as you know i normally dont revert edits if they are properly sourced but the IP user keeps on editing articles without any references. He has only mentioned the ones which i might have made a mistake on but if you look at the following he keeps on adding Afghanistan in every article:

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Dear User:Kami2018, thank you for your kind message on my talk page. I appreciate you letting me know that you reinstated the referenced information in the article. As you have indicated on my talk page that you "restored the version as supported by the talk page", I think it would be helpful if you

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Hi, i saw you editing the khalji dynasty page. Can you remove the last sentences "wrongly". Because it contradicts the whole origin section of article, ( keeping in mind the sources etc). And it will also be the first hand research which is against wiki rules. The article dictates that what or whom

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I want to bring this to your attention that although you have banned me indefinitely but I would appreciate if you could go through the revert below for which i have been banned and just spend few minutes through the references, you will notice I was only writing the information which was part of

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Kindly stop spamming my talkpage with copy paste warnings that you seem to have little to no knowledge on. If you want to discuss edits and sources, head on to the talk page of the articles. All of edit related queries and discussions regarding sources and history has already been answered on the

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I think you can mention me anywhere you want as the pages you mentioned were having information that was not in the reference or there was no reference at all. Either they were having incomplete or wrong wording or the sources didn't contain that respective information. Dont try to dictate me and

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was to clear the confusion between Turkoman and Turkmen. Turkmen is part of Turkoman but Turkoman is synonymous to Oghuz turks which i am sure you know includes Turkish, Turkmen and Azeris. Ottomans are Ottoman turks which are Turkish speaking people and you have changed information without

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Salaam User:Kami2018 and thank you for your message on my talk page. I am also concerned about User:W28394's editing and it seems that despite a firm consensus against his edits on the talk page, he is continuing to edit war with other users. If User:W28394 breaks

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Well first of all you have added sayings without any reference such as "The anicent Turkmen proverb says: "Kayi and Bayat tribes shall lead the people" (Turkmen: "Il başy - gaýy-baýat")" . Although it might be true but has no reference and to add further its for

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As you can see, all reliable sources mention the words "Turkmen" and "Turkoman" as synonyms and these two words mean the same, so the ethnonym "Turkmen" is not "part of Turkoman". There are multiple examples of the same, let me know if you want more of them.

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2. You also reverted the name of the Kayi tribe in Turkmen, why? Kayi clan still exists among Turkmenistan's and Iranian Turkmens and there is every legitimate reason to mention its name in the Turkmen language. Please cancel your revert for this.

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1. Well, there is no difference between "Turkmen" and "Turkoman", these are different pronounciations of the same ethnonym in different languages. The Persians would say "Torkaman" to the Turkmens of Iran and Turkmenistan, e.g.

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tribes". This work is about Turkmens who called themselves Oghuz in the past and the word "Turkmen" should absoultely be there. You surely are biased against Turkmens even when the reliable sources mention Turkmens directly.

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sources mentioned and if there is no source, then I have just requested other users to please provide references to the edits. Is it justified that I get a indefinite block for merely writing what is part of the references.

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Ottoman Turks are descendants of Kayi tribe which moved from Central asia and spoke ottoman turkish which is ancestor to Modern Turkish. Not turkmen language. Language shift Old Anatolian Turkish - Ottoman turkish - Modern

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didn't conform. My reversion explains things nicely. Your editing isn't headed in the right direction, given the most recent postings above. If you want to be a constructive editor, please do read the guidelines, as above.

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has already been reached. Till then, I can only advice you to stop your POV pushing and spamming. Also, I was never blocked. I got busy with work life but rest assure I will keep a check in a more timely manner now.

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Addition of Oghuz turkmen is changed back to Oghuz turks which is Turkoman and includes all three. There is an article on wikipedia with the name Oghuz turks and not Oghuz turkmen which clearly explains its due to

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I have no bias towards the usage of Turkoman but yes usage of turkmen in turkish articles is wrong. It suggests Kayi were turkmen rather they were turkoman which gave rise to ottoman turks which are turkish

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Last time I blocked you from editing specific pages to encourage you to start discussions on the talk pages of the articles you wanted changed. You didn't do that, instead you've started a new edit war.

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Oghuz Turks moved from Central Asia and Siberia to Turkmenistan, Iran and Turkey etc. Turkmen was land of Iranian people before Oghuz turks and other turkic people displaced them. Please read the

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discussion and without references. Secondly you changed Turkish to turkic but you turned turk to turkmen to all the places without any reference. Clearly a bias towards turkmen ethnicity.

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I personally request that you find your way to his "Talk Page" and click the "History" section. See deleted posts. Also, you may wish to visit Kansas Bear's talk page and find post #19 --

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talk pages of the articles aforementioned. You have not reached a consensus on Khalji Dynasty and Jalal-ud-din Khalji edits. Various editors have disputed your edits numerous times.

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First of all turkmen Language had nothing to do with Kayi as they spoke Old Anatolian turkish which is an ancestor of turkish language and not turkmen language. That has been changed.

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I did not ask you anything about an IP nor did I ask about Amir Kror Suri, Amir Suri, Kambojas, Muhammadzai (Hashtnagar), or Turi (Pashtun tribe). You should re-read my original post.

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on the request of Turkmen mullahs of Turkmenistan and the English translation should be there as it is. The same applies to the word Turkmen after "mentions Kayı among 24 Oghuz

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was a great revert. I am not very knowledgeable about that area yet, but if you are, you could also section this material off into a 'Name' or 'Etymology' section (like on the

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the Bangaṧ, who were then expelled from their mountain den by the Ḡelzī during Tīmūr’s invasions, crossed the Paywār pass and progressively moved into the upper Korram basin

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First warning regarding vandalism on the Khalji Dynasty and Hindkowan article. Further attempts at vandalizing the mentioned pages will result in escalation of the matter.

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where some content was removed that appeared to be validly sourced, yet an explanation for the removal was not provided. What is the reason for its removal? Thanks. —

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for all the articles he has been edit warring at. Ensure that you follow the instructions there for how a report should be formatted. I hope this helps. With regards,

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keep constantly deleting from your talk page. Regarding the article on Afshar people, that you have foolishly reverted as always, I wrote specifically for you - see:

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they were considered. I have also provided may sources in talk section of khalji dynasty (though a few months ago) Thank you, i hope positive changes are made.

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which clearly explains the difference between Turkmens of Turkmenistan and Turkomans/Oghuz turks. Turkoman includes Turkish, Turkmen, Azeri Turks etc.

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Thanks, this was necessary, simply a disruptive user disturbing other good faith editors with his agendas. The diff which the blocked person posted

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Kami2018, let me know if you ever need help adding references to Knowledge (XXG) pages. Visioncurve, in light of the new references I added to the

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Dear Kami2018, thank you for your contributions to Knowledge (XXG). Keep up the good work! You are making a difference here! With regards,

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and will improve my editing habits. I would appreciate if the block can be removed this time only. Thankyou for the comments and guidance

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I agree with you but i think you added both the categories by mistake. Now you see both parent and child category in that same article.

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ethnogenesis of the Bangaṧ, therefore, seems both to be religious and to be located in the Gardīz region during the Ghaznavid period

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Your unblock request does not indicate that if unblocked you would revert less than you have been doing. I suggest you read

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The Quote is also fine as its referenced but is redirected to Turkoman which includes all three turkmen, turkish and Azeri.

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Therefore, the Bangas were not in the Korram basin until after Timur's invasion. Do you have a source stating otherwise? --

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or any other admin, just wanted to see if you could update me in relation to my request. Thankyou for your assistance.

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Do you know Syrian Turkmens and Iraqi Turkmens are turkish ethnically and are not Turkmen ethnicity of Turkmenistan.

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As Turkmen is a branch of Turkoman then instead of redirecting to the turkmen pages which clearly creates confusion.

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simply removed the unsourced allegation about the subject being of Afghani origin and did so time and again, and

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Hi, i agree with you but i think we need to report him as he has already done the same with two other pages

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Do you mean to say that only Turkmens is synonymous to Oghuz turks ? What about turks of turkey and Azeris ?

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Why did you revert my changes in this article? They all are relevant, as medieval sources mention Oghuz and

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First of all can you prove to me that Turkoman is Turkmen of Turkmenistan only ?

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