276:. There are more examples of linking of common nouns: Mr Bolwell still seems to think that linking 'woolen' is contributing somehow to the encyclopaedia. He also seems to think that we need to have a link to 'death', just in case that proves too taxing a concept for the average reader to be expected to know off-hand. He has in the past scolded me for using the word 'elucidate'. This introduces a somewhat difficult concept to me: at precisely what level is this encylcopaedia pitched? Anyway, I digress... Do you have any ideas as to the best way forward with this somewhat fractious writer? I don't want it to look like he's being 'bullied' in any way, given the aggressive victim-mentality under which he seems to be presently labouring. But this disruptive editing really ought to be nipped in the bud. Best regards,
630:) still has some missing bits such as when he was born, when he died, who he married (I gather he married twice, the second time around 1854), his children (at least two as far as I can gather, one of whom was definitely a daughter), and his early days. I have the impression he was indentured as a bootmaker, and did a stint as a wine merchant (unrelated to Claridge's hotel, started by different people) before he became involved in asphalt production and then hydropathy. But at present I lack credible citations for those sorts of things. I get some tantalising clues from a geneology site or two, but the remaining details appear locked up in pay-sites, and as I'm not a subscriber to any (my circumstances not permitting), that's as far as it goes.
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420:, although no further referencing details are given. As readers will be aware, there are several versions of this dictionary, with the most complete being the multi-volume edition typically found only in libraries, to various abridged versions which are more commonly available (and affordable). The two-volume Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (6th ed., 2007) lists the definition for water-cure on page 3586, under the general listing for water (noun), alphabetically in the sub-listing for phrases. It states:
540:. It noted confusion arising from the fact that many people looking up Water Cure expect to find reference to a form of therapy. From this arose a discussion regarding renaming for disambiguation purposes: that is, to differentiate between water cure as a form of torture, and water cure as a form of therapy. Since an article called Water cure (therapy) already exists, the simplest option was the renaming of this article, which would then give the two primary definitions. That exercise is now complete.
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