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2712:. The dispute involves the commercial box office results for that film and another competing film released the same week, Religulous, which several media outlets compared because of their diametrically opposed political viewpoints. "An American Carol" and "Religulous" both made the top 10 for their opening weekend with the former #9 and the latter #10. But Religulous played at far fewer cinemas and had a much higher per-screen average. This led to debates as to which was the more successful film. The second weekend settled the matter in which "An American Carol" had a bigger box office drop than "Religulous" which ranked higher than "An American Carol" on the second weekend. I believe that is the extent that the comparison should end. Some editors, including those whose conservative beliefs may be affecting their impartiality, think there should be no comparison to "Religulous" at all despite all the bonafied journalistic citations in the article to back up the comparisons. Please advise. 2332: 1920:

one would use to do so, but it's not my place to put words in Eric's mouth, so I didn't try. I've already sent Eric some urgings but will redouble my efforts. The thing that makes it messier now, of course, is that there are a couple of endorses there now which presumably would need to be removed once the new wording was put in place. I welcome suggestions on how to proceed. ++

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only get one!" and if they do, explain there were confusing edits and this is the best solution. It might help to add a parenthetical to the first or second view, such as (edited) or (as intended). Or even rename the one currently there as Another View, or something similar, with no name at all. Any of these are quite workable. One puppy's opinion.

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IMO, leave the statement with the endorses, but allow and encourage Eric to phrase his "no confidence" in a way which manages to voice his concerns without insulting anyone personally, and then let both stand. I cannot imagine anyone being such a childish PITA as to complain "Eric got two! How come I

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I recognize that this user page belongs to the Knowledge project and not to me personally. As such, I recognize that I am expected to respectfully abide by community standards as to the presentation and content of this page, and that if I do not like these guidelines, I am welcome either to engage in

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I agree. I was torn here... I did not think that the initial reversion should stand, and yet the paragraphs I omitted, as written, were personal attacks. I believe it is possible to phrase the "vote of no confidence" in a way that does not violate our NPA policy and I have thought about the phrasing

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Wasn't saying YOU were canvassed. If you read the history you'd see a clear admission by someone else that they were, that's who I was referring to... Their comments pretty much missed the mark, so... As for the close, if Slr chooses to not respond to the clear questions and concerns raised, well,

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There appear to be ongoing unresolved issues, several people have expressed dissatisfaction with Slr's approach and general conduct, I think those need to be worked through (I'm noting the lack of any apology from Slr here in view of what's just above this thread, just as a data point) . So I would

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I think this is not a direction that can at all help the debate - it's one of those cases where people should be encouraged to speak their mind and contribute ideas fearlessly for the betterment of Knowledge. We may disagree on what constitutes betterment (and I do think Lar should refactor his own

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You restored the opening comment and removed the main thrust of his argument, leaving a vague statement which has no bearing on his actual concerns. While poorly phrased, that was essentially a "vote of no confidence" in two of the editors named. IMO, this is a very serious concern, "NO confidence"

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to be funny is that clearly you're failing... even if you weren't trying in the first place! I confess to being tempted to dropping a note in at the civility poll asking if an admin / steward / wiseman / guru calling a lowly peon a 'shit disturber' should be block worthy, but it depresses me no end

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I don't recognise you, contact me offline to discuss if you like, but I'm not a decision maker there, just an admin. As of the last time I checked all the spam had been dealt with but I've been away for a few days. I'll clean it all up tonite, I have some automation that makes it easier. Welcoming

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is that it's a fresh start, not a prohibition on older topics. But it certainly sounds reasonable to remove this user from the group. As for the uploads, I reviewed them, one is very poor quality, one has been replaced by a much better image (with an attached permission pointer to OTRS) and one is

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Part of the bitterness among the factions in the date-linking dispute was due to various incidents of incivility. I won't bore you with all the details, but PMAnderson is complaining about Ohconfucius (and others) addressing him as "Mandy". It was a small but obviously annoying unpleasantry, and

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You're a scholar and a gentleman. I can assure you that I won't let you down, but you're more than welcome to "stalk" my edits for as long as it takes to assure yourself that I'm capable of civilized behaviour. Thanks also for your advice regarding community discussions which was well-taken.

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Remember arbitration is for conduct, not content. As long as all the editors are being collegial, you should be able to work this out without resorting to arbitration... which in the end, even if some editors were sanctioned about how they conducted themselves, the content dispute would be

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unresolved. My suggestion is to try an RfC on the talk page of whichever article seems more likely to have larger viewership, asking for a consensus. You may want to notify various projects such as WP:FILMS. Make sure you word any notifications scrupulously neutral. Hope that helps. ++

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I think you should add Chuck's UFC records to his profile. It reinforces why he is in the UFC Hall of Fame. Liddell is currently tied (with Matt Hughes) for most wins in the UFC with 16 and he holds the records for most fights, with 22, and most wins by knockout, with 10. Thanks.

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when it comes to copyright, but that one is licensed with what we would call "CC-BY-SA-2.0" on Commons, which is a fine license for our purposes. If you upload it I would be happy to Flickr review it, as I just checked the license and validated it, just nudge me. Use

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as the license template. It is polite to notify the photographer that you have used their work, noting the link to Commons and the en:wp article you used it, and to offer to require attribution in the form they wish it. An example of such an upload is here:

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I'd love to see anyone bring up an example of my attacking another editor during the RfC. Be that as it may, I will not be the one to block Lar. I will take it to AN. But my prefered outcome would simply be fore lar to withdraw his insulting remarks.

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Hmph! That's not me. (the "exact line of code" part, not the lazy part)... I have no idea where the code to change would be without doing the research... but... I'd just model the bug submission after one of the other ones for permissions changes.

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comments, though if he doesn't, it is hardly a grave offence), but I believe we can do so in good faith. I'm personally not afraid of anything I say being challenged by others, as long as they steer clear of making suggestions about my parents,

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views have always been allowed in democratic discussions, and I suggest you approach Eric about rephrasing, and allow it to stand. Valid concerns about divisive editors is not the same as incivility or personal attacks, and you know it.

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one that might be good to have back if the permission can be sorted. I think. So anyway I've removed it for now. One of us should leave a note at Brion's page (that would be you I suggest) and one at Heather's (that would be me) ++

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That's complicated.... going to take some pondering... ping me in a few days if I haven't got back to you. First blush analysis: assuming good faith, as you did, is always the right thing to try first. But it's complicated.

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and died here in the last six months — so they've begun putting the worst down and have castrated some tens of thousands to stem the surging population of toxic bitters. The dogs are hard to catch so they are using a lot of

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Nod. I was pushing the envelope a bit to make a point, it's true. Still, all of those policies have been gradually softening over the last couple of years, as the panoply of things that stewards can do has broadened.

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A little further digging... those IPs are not static, but get reassigned, and it is completely a consistent scenario that the IP was not him back in May but now is, and at some indeterminate time future, won't be.

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I've just realised that there's a hell of a lot of spammers over at the forementioned Wiki. Do you mind making me an administrator on there so that I can take care of it and it won't disturb what you're doing over

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from ArbCom (where other stewards actually have said they prefer en:wp familiar stewards to do it) or because it was a private request to me... but ya, this is a bit more home wiki centric than those things...

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Odd. Normally when I get these I'm all like "ya ya, I got it, why'd ya ping me, I check my mail compulsively" but not this time. Did you send it using the "email this user" function? Hasn't arrived yet. Thx.

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So anyway, thanks for turning up. I don't think there's really an issue here with the one removal I did, but it's good to talk through stuff, and I probably should strike the remark you were replying to.

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I think Uploader would be a useful right to be able to grant for admins, just like Rollback, so perhaps a Bugzilla is in order, because having Stewards need to undo it makes it not very useful. ++

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and I certainy resent the implication. I firmly believe both sides need to drop this and move on. Neither side is innocent in that situation and both sides need to calm down and step away.

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frankly I was hoping that such issues had been forgotten. However, in my very humble opinion, I'd advise against further comment as it seems to fan the flames of discord. Hope that helps. --

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Not afraid, per se. More lazy. And also I bet someone more technically inclined could file a much more useful bugzilla, i.e. one that identifies the exact code lines needing changed, etc. –

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Thanks! I dropped him a courtesy note. I'd guess he's not that concerned about how we structure our userrights over here, but for some reason only stewards can set the flag. cheers, –

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is ok because its a cc-by-2.0 license without a non-commercial restriction free to make derivative works. Have I achieve the one-ness of being that is copyright understanding? --

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I marked it as resolved because it looked like you and Slr had worked everything out, but then you added another comment. Should I unresolve it, or was that just a grace note?--

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It looks like Eric's view is not going to be allowed to stand. He toned down his view and posted it but it was removed again... you may want to get further involved. ++

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The guy basically wants people to donate part of their collection so that he can later mock them (as he does everyone and everything). I'm not taking apart my

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was about me, I assure you that I regularly watch WP:WQA and the dispute there between you SlimVirgin and Slr was not brought to my attention by canvassing by

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Thanks for letting me know. It came out about how I expected it would. Also, thanks for the feedback, I will give it the appropriate level of consideration. ++

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usergroup was created some back in November 2008 so someone could shoot us a few pictures without waiting for autoconfirmed. Brion granted it to one person,

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Whatever makes the most sense, I just wanted to make sure you didn't forget (but this all was before I saw that earlier, longer thread on your user talk. ++

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so be it. But I'll certainly keep it in mind going forward, because I don't think you get to play "I have a problem but I'm perfect" more than once... ++

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Yes, I was going to start the new MFD about 7 days after the restoration. But it could be started now as well, I think Drew is done with the cleanup. –

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Cease your personal attacks in relation to the RfC. Otherwise you will be blocked. As an expeienced Wikipedian you do not need any other warning.

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really not funny. Happy to chat more about why I genuinely believe my approach to have merit, equally happy to accept grumbles when they come ;-)

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Well my enlightenment was short lived. I've just noticed someone's already uploaded it. I've messaged you on commons to delete my one. Cheers. --

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Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding then! I totally missed that last line in the post immediately preceeding my close...basically a case of

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I saw ;) I'll check back tomorrow as I'm about to shut down for the day. Lots of progress on the portals on meta today. Cheers,

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No worries. Thanks for explaining. Though sure, the policies are being relaxed. I'm seeing this also just as a "watcher". -

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I'm thinking of giving him a fucking barnstar. We don't seem to have quite the right one, so I guess I'll have to roll my own.

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Are you the bureaucrat there? Because if you are, do you mind making me an admin so that I can take care of things instead?--

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to save the next person from an unpleasant experience. Some of the dogs are rabid — at least a half dozen people have been

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I've kind of lost the thread on that, I'm afraid. But maybe my TPW's could comment. I will try to take a look and see. ++

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Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(infoboxes)#Dispute over single articles having multiple infoboxes - VOTE!!!

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Hello again, Lar. I was looking up how to start an arbitration request for an editing dispute concerning the article

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Hi, I've noticed that there are no real active administrators over on LDraw.org. I'm happy to assist, if you'd like.--

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Sometimes it is best to just walk around a bit of disturbing shit you find in your path — quite a common circumstance

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as there is a serious problem with all the feral dogs roaming about. Other times is is best to just bury them with a

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Thanks, will do. I assume Flickr Review is an admin check on the licensing for commons uploads of flickr images? --

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tired of demanding flagged revisions to no avail? frustrated with the wiki gods, demi-gods (and demagogues ;-)? -

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Yea, I know these things take time to percolate through bugzilla so I figured I would give 'er a head start. –

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I didn't say he wasn't funny. Oh, and you are one of those two too, to be honest.(you know you are...) :) ++

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Will try to watch. Please nudge me if needed... I have intermittent access right now, on holiday. Thanks!

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You're welcome. I'm already sure you're capable, and confident there won't be any recurrence. Best. ++

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in a more appropriate direction. nb: the "transuserfy" was 6 days ago and Xeno said 7 above.

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Hi lar, I remember talking to you ages ago about cc licensing from flickr. I think this one

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reasonable discussion about it, to publish my material elsewhere, or to leave the project.

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Knowledge:Village pump (proposals)#Add Uploader to the list of rights admins can assign

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a collaborative project you might be interested in joining with no such shenanigans!

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Cool. It may have been a bit early, there are some dissenting voices yet, but ya. ++

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OK, thanks. I confess I find PMAnderson's own userid confusing, based on his sig. ++

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haven't been round the wiki much, hope you and all talk page stalkers are good :-)

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No need to bother him, I've been bored this week and sorting the 10,000 files in

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How can I request arbitration for an editing dispute without a clear consensus?

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Orderinchaos is right. However, I must inform you that I have left a request

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Tangentially related (to pixie dust), I've just sent you an email. cheers, –

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Knowledge:Village pump (proposals)#add edit-semi as a feature to "Uploader"?

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but he declared talk page bankruptcy before noticing the thread =) –

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Replied in detail there as to the suggested course of action. ++

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By all means, delete this thread if not concerned, just an FYI.

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I have sent you an email regarding an issue I've come across.

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Based on the way the software works at that website would

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another collaborative project you may be interested in...

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I've spoken up there. And don't be afraid of Bugzilla! ++

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I appreciate you letting me know, I've commented. ++

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