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is behavioral and the entire pool of CUs/clerks would be able to decide if they wanted to look at it, not me asking anybody off-wiki for anything. I also dont recall me not leaving any on-wiki evidence of a request being made, but your free to theorize whatever conspiracy among the evildoers suits your fancy. But now you dont like the method you suggested either? How exactly should it be done? The evidence, if made public, makes it easier for future socks to get away with it. That may be a good thing to you, but not to most fair-minded people.
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issues. In the Izz ad-Din article mentioned above, it took me exactly 30 seconds to find an excellent source they won't be able to get around (we'll ignore the fact that their objections were just IDONTLIKEIT. You have to work to get facts into articles here. The truth has no weight to some people). That's what you need to do. Don't edit war - you can't win since they have the numbers. Don't give them a reason to topic ban you. Just find sources that meet
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Yes I am. One account hasnt been blocked, but its super careful, an edit every few months, and I think Im still right about that one. Everybody else tho, well, you know. And again, its pretty easy to tell when I reported it by email in the past. Thered be a message on a talk page saying Ive sent an
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Ever since you cried about me emailing a clerk who would ask a CU to make a check, every sock Ive reported has been in exactly this way, as you yourself suggested, though probably absent the notification to the user talk page. You are the one that said I should post at SPI and say that the evidence
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It's hard to say how often he's wrong, but I can say that he regularly gets editors (nobody knows who or how many since it's usually done off wiki with no documentation trail) he feels are pro-Israel (and only those) blocked based on secret evidence. I'd suggest not engaging him and going to SPI to
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for example, who is included in the category "Austrian emigrants to
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Things like that show youre not interested in a serious, honest discussion. Get every pro-I editor from North
America blocked of NoCal, or every one from South American one off of Andres, that is such an idiotic statement that I cant believe that you even think the hyperbole is warranted. You base
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How many pro-P sockpuppets? Quite a few, as I'm pretty sure you're aware. It's nice of you not to rush to their defense. When are you going to report one? I mean, if a layman like me can find them, I'm sure an expert sock hunter such as yourself must have a few suspicions, apropos fair-mindedness.
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and you'll be able to get these simple and obvious facts into articles, even if it takes a while and going to a few noticeboards. This is not a race. People can argue that someone who moved from one country to another didn't immigrate, as stupid as that sounds. Patience is key.
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Whatever. I knew this wouldn't go anywhere. Please feel free to get the last word in, as usual. I have a flight to catch and probably won't be back here for a while, so you may continue to abuse your hard earned advantage, as we saw on the page that got this guy blocked.
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I didn't break 1RR since my last warning. All my editions were just and respectful of this rule. Could you at least show my an edition where I reverted more than once in 24 hours in a single article? Thanks.
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