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of your replies and comments make it a chore to read, which is why so few participate in the discussions. The possible benefit is outweighed by the effort required. The content itself is petty when compared to the disruption you both, equally, have caused. Is it going to kill the article if the information is there or not there? No? Either way, does it fundamentally change enhance or diminish the understanding of the subject matter? No? Exactly. It is a trivial detail that doesn't hurt anyone or anything, whether or not it stays. Solve the dispute like men. Flip a coin, play

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to the editors involved, I wasn't exactly sure of who should or should not be notified so rather than make the mistake of not notifying the people involved I instead notfied them all - as far as I'm aware there were none left out. So really it wasn't a case of selective picking and choosing, it's just that of the editors previously involved all seemed to have their own ideas on the subject which they came to independentally.

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discussion - you were merely notified as per policy. Any editor who reaches the limit of their attention or tolerance can freely absent themselves from any debate. Similarly, whether I 'bother to reply' is, again, my decision, and no one editor should be attempting to dissuade another from exercising free speech - especially on their own 'talk' page. In fact, that kind of dissuasion is, ironically, dissuaded. This:

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editors views of any new material - for example, some of the new referenced material was removed en mass by another editor on the assumption, it seems, that this new material was simply a repost of previous information. But actually it wasn't. I messaged that editor with this information too and I presume they took another look at it and then differentiated between the new material and the older stuff.

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just do not get along with each other well. That's fine, we all have someone we just can't clique with. But in this case, as a personal favor, I would ask you both just try to avoid each other when possible, and keep any discussions on article talk pages when necessary. Let time heal old wounds. You both have a lot to contribute, but only if you aren't spending your time in disputes. Thanks.

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intention at all to 'continue the long running slow edit war' as I'm not part of that and I didn't even know the page existed then. I did see the banner on the page about the semi-lock, etc, and read that, but I didn't check exact details of the edit history - I just started to add info and refs that I thought improved the page.

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I like to think that a referenced discography is a perfectly acceptable addition for any music producer or songwriter's page - and would actually be an expected part of such a page as it speaks to their notability for inclusion. Though I can see now that what has gone on in the past might colour some

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to be included in the ANI for context. Also, there has been no hostility on my part and you yourself said the worst that I (and, to be fair, also Dennis) could be accused of was being 'snippy'. Noted: I can live with 'snippy'. Importantly, no one (including yourself) has been 'dragged along' into any

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to each other and dragging all of us along in multiple ANIs and DRs, and honestly, most outsiders see you both as equally culpable in the disruptions, more or less. You both have droned on and on about each other so much that no one CARES about the actual content dispute itself, and the sheer length

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times on my own 'talk' page and on no occasion did I demand to know why you were there or what you wanted. The reversion of the deleted material will only itself be reverted if there are grounds to do so - that's how Knowledge works; there are no special exemptions for anyone. We have also yet to go

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Thanks for the message. Could I just answer with a bit of background and clear up a couple of assumptions: I came to this page via Michel Gondry's video for Bjork's 'Bacholorette', which in turn led to Gondry's video for 'Lucas With The Lid Off', which is by this producer Lucas Secon. It was not my

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appears to want to move on, and asked me, to ask you, if you could refrain from contributing to his talk page. Obviously, there may be times you need to via templates and such, but I would ask this as a personal favor. I really do think that both of you are good editors in your own right, but you

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Unfortunately, the DRN was closed by TransporterMan 11 hours earlier than the time stated for closure by Hasteur, which must have been very frustrating for you as it stymied your chance to reply. So, re: your requests for proof from other editors, I thought this might help you and provide some much

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Now convince me this won't set a precedent, and we're done. One big problem is that I know (maybe you don't) that 842U will be back, deleting more "trivia". This misinterpretation of policy must have a stake driven through its heart lest it spreads, and I don't see how you have the power to prevent

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Please could you stop hounding me with false allegations, especially when they appear to be an attempt to divert attention away from the fact that you know full well you have been arguing in bad faith for so long. Don't you think it's bad enough that I've spent so much time gathering evidence that

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Dennis, hi, I genuinely wasn't aware that that was classed as canvassing because in the discussions concerning this before I was advised to notify the editors that had contributed to relevant discussions - and also that notifications via 'talk' pages were okay. As I said in the 'talk' page messages

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Neil Peart, who is the drummer and lyricist for the Canadian rock band Rush, used an R1100GS for a 14 month, 55,000-mile (89,000 km) self-healing trip, which he made in the late 1990s following the deaths of his wife and only daughter. The trip was documented in the book Ghost Rider: Travels on the

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Mr Highfield said the BBC would not be hunting down all BBC-copyrighted clips already uploaded by YouTube members - although it would reserve the right for example to swap poor quality clips with the real thing, or to have content removed that infringed other people's copyright, like sport, or that

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date: 21:12, 14 April 2012 - archived) that gives the impression that there may be some truth to his assertion, 'But I can't get the guy off my talk page'. Again, please examine our relevent 'talk' page posts and see that that is no truth to it at all. It is just another false accusation. (I would

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Quick note, usually better to keep a conversation in one place, which is why I use the {{Whisperback}} templates, just to redirect you to that page. If we start a conversation here, I will keep it here, if we start it there, I usually try to keep it there. Note the template on the top of my talk

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were communicating at all was because of the discussion - messages never strayed outside of that. So there's no need for this or further messages unless another/further discussions materialise that necessitate it. And, please note, the 'talk' page messages were perfectly polite. And, please note,

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Hi, Dennis. Thanks for the note. Always nice to hear from you. However, if you are referring to the use of the word 'aggressive' in the lighthearted aside I made about riding suits on thr BMW R1100GS noticeboard, could I refer you back to your own quote on the BMW R1100GS page in which you said:

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Oh I see. I wasn't sure what that 'whisperback' was, sorry. Let's keep it here then. In fact, for future reference, if I miss something it's always because I'm not as familiar with code and procedure as some editors (although, to be honest, I don't think that undermines the basis for particular

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Re: the photo: I saw it being used on the official website, along with a photographer credit, so I emailed the author to ask for permission from the photographer to use the image. I received a reply with a copy of the image and a message saying that the photographer was okay with sending image

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That's fair enough if you don't want to take The Corrado Net as a reliable source (even though its factual database is compiled by Corrado enthusiasts) - I understand that. But you also erroneously deleted additional information that was referenced to the BBC and to BBC film sources, which are

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There seems to be something of a tag-team going on between Biker Biker and Dennis Bratland regarding this BMW R1100GS edit and I think the mistaken fixation on the 'prove a point' issue is skewing objectivity on the inclusion of the 'Ghost Riders: Travels on the Healing Road' material.

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Well, I've been suggesting that R1100GS be forgotten about for over 3 weeks, so if you now agree, then we'll agree to leave it as it is. How easy was that. (Though 'well-sourced'? Does that really apply when 2 of the 4 primary sources did not even mention the bike by name? I only

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Out of the editors previously involved, two were genuinely mistakenly missed off the list of notification - one was a user who was involved right at the very beginning nearly a month ago (hence the easy and genuine mistake of neglecting their involvement) - and one editor called

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permission to Knowledge. I presume that is where the OTRS comes from. I'd like to think that it would be taken as a positive thing that I went through the correct channels, in line with WP regulations on requesting copyright holder permission for image use. Hope this helps.

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Manners, dear boy. They don't cost anything. I was 'dropping' off the relevant codes you needed to clarify a point on which you seemed uncertain during the Noticeboard and ANI discussions. I don't expect thanks for that, but neither do I expect hostility. You have posted

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Now if you expended as much time explaining WHY you spent over 3 weeks arguing for a case which you have ADMITTED you did NOT believe in and that you knew to be FALSE - then I would perhaps give greater weight to your arguments and find it easier to take advice on moral

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and delete the personal attacks contained in your comments. The warning, in large bold letters at the top, when you edit that page, says "This page is not the place to flame other users". Discuss the topic, not other editors. When you're done with that, please go to

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The problem with canvassing is that it taints the consensus process. Why on Earth would I accept a DRN decision against me? Knowing that the decision was based on at least two editors who were there due to a grudge against me. I've been on Knowledge for

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to include the long discography in this article. Similarly, I can't find the precise image you uploaded anywhere else on the internet and from the OTRS you are evidently in contact with the subject. Please read the notice above carefully. Thanks

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Thanks for taking the time to create this article - it's appreciated. Could you please look it over and see if you can address the issues raised in the improvement tags? Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Best wishes,

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But - in the middle of the entry on the BMW R1100GS - there was/is a section on the drummer in a rock band on a 'self-healing trip' after deaths is his family. Now, this is clearly not relevant to an entry on the BMW R1100GS.

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was a content dispute - it wasn't - and it was a mistake to close it for that reason. It was a justifiable, provable complaint about a bad faith argument. That is not inconsequential. A background of the content dispute

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and - as there is no longer any other official Volkswagen issued material on the car (because it is so long out of production) - why is reference to this officially issued tech/spec information not deemed appropriate?

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It would be much better for you to edit your own comments to remove the off-topic personal attacks, rather than for someone else to have to edit your comments for you as the result of a AI/N complaint against you.

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You didn't notify Transporterman, or Biker Biker, to name two. There are several others you left out of the loop. Must I make a complete list? If you weren't picking and choosing editors, it certainly

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You haven't stated explicitly what you mean but from what has been said I'll presume you mean that you think my edit of Biker Biker's BMW R1100GS entry is a response to his edit of my contribution to

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I certainly don't mind you deleting the communication we had on this 'talk' page regarding the BMW R1100GS, but I do object to the incivilty of your deletion message, which said, 'Now go away'

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I'm going to do what I said I was going to do. Finish my research, then restore and expand the section with a mountain of citations. If you then delete it, I will open a formal

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I don't have to convince you of anything; and, in fact, it is another one of your impossible requests: other Wikipedians, for some reason, have to convince you of the future

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So are you saying that your own use of these terms toward me such as 'silly', 'bizarre' and 'laughable' fall into the above description of criticsm or the one of uncivility?

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like that's what you were doing. Especially given the history of canvassing for the DRN, first with 842U and then the highly suspect involvement of Iglooflame. It seems

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I've got an idea - why don't we open it up to as many biker Wikipedians as possible to suggest an alternative or comparable bike to the R1100GS? Would you like that?

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So, as you can see, I was only taking you at your own word and at your own description of your editing style. I hope this helps clear things up in your mind somewhat.

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argument being advanced). There's a couple of important points regarding your recent message on the complaint board I opened, so I'll go there to leave that now.

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and delete the personal attack and accusations of malfeasance from there. Once again, that is not the place to discuss other editors; the topic is the RfC.

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to me that the reason you kept on canvassing was that you got away with it before and assumed administrators would let you go on getting away with it.

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Well, Dennis Brown and I can live in hope that I won't be accused of it, but you always seem to be at hand with further false allegations.

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as the first allegation, because, if you again read the comments on your original ANI, you'll find that no one agrees with you.

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Indeed. And no doubt PACT could continue to do good if you do not insist on trying to sacrifice it on the alter of vanity.

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of you. I have no idea if the info should be included or not, that is what WP:DR and WP:RFC are for. You both have been

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Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Knowledge appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited

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Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Knowledge appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited

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only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Knowledge's principle of

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But if you want to err on the side of a caution that the even BBC don't take, then that may also be prudent.

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that I did not question the other editor's freedom to post on my own 'talk' page, and which he did with the

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Addendum: If the removal was in line with the Knowledge criteria for deletion of trivia, then I see point.

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aware of the more accurate nature of the situation, so please by all means let him know. Many thanks.

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Hi, I've just had a check through and the only one I can see that wasn't notified was someone called

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Also, Dennis, there is something about the tenor of your reply to his request on your 'talk' page (

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Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to

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articles related to you and your circle, your organization, its competitors, projects or products;

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have appreciated a full reading being given to the 'talk' page comments - feel free to read them.)

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the inclusion of which is not obviated by the trivia being referenced or integrated into the entry

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If the linked site is the copyright holder, leave a message explaining the details on the article

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IMPORTANT POINT 2 - you may have noticed from my talk page response on this subject that I have

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your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things

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You appear to have mistaken Dennis Brown's message here on this 'talk' page as an accusation -

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Finally, what was the reason for deleting the Corrado related 'Trivia' section that referenced

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These points are not complicated and should really not present any problem being understood:

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I really didn't think you were trying to canvas, I just didn't want you to get accused of it.

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As I say, I think it is a very important (if subtle) distinction. With particular regards,

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violating copyright with respect to the material, then you should do one of the following:

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I genuinely took that to mean that 'talk' page notifications were within bounds. Regards,

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reputable and reliable sources, and also an image that has Knowledge citation. Thank you.

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at

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combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say

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Orphaned non-free image File:No One Left to Lie to - The Values of the Worst Family.jpg

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