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castes are from the tribe. This article combines info of Jat and Jatts, which is incorrect, and for some reason the word is used interchangeably. This is why some daljits call themselves Jat and Jatt call them fakes, because neither know the history, due to status and popularity within the caste system, Jatts make notice of their caste and the word Jatt over Jat is more popular and known. Basically the daljit take pride in the Jat word because of the caste system favoring upper caste but what they dont know is that all the favoring is for the Jatts not Jat. Same for Jatts that mention fakes changing their names, when they dont know the word Jat exists and its different from Jatt. The Jatts were said to be from foreign invaders, just like many other Sikh clans, that were settling on the land, and so were laborers at the same time from central India, known as Jat, but were originally called Sudras. The Jatts play no role in the Hindu caste system because they emerged from outside forces, but their status is as high as Brahmin from years of rebuilding and fighting clans that took control of that region by force. Almost all the foreign invaders with DNA testing showed they adopted Sikhism as a whole, some Sikh clans had no history in India and only emerged after the foreigners entering India from the rise of the European Empire and conquest to look for resources and money, Why Sikhism? because their main competitors were Hindus and Muslims (major religions and numbers at the time), the Sikhs were a small percentage but the most combatant with connections to political and land connections due to caste status, and kept building in this pattern, little by little, come in and stabilized with other Sikhs and got what they wanted. These are ancient CLAN invasions (unnoticed) not the recent Aryan or the British EMPIRE invasion (more numbers), but the ones that discovered India but didn't have resources or financial stability. The only route for the invaders to go if they wanted to be against and obtain sources from Hindus and Muslims . The Aryans on the other hand were the only to spread everywhere and with anyone in south Asia because they were the largest group that came as a whole and financial stability to spread. British lineage is found among Anglo Indians near Goa, South and Central India. Rest is unknown because first India never kept records, for example, the Pakistan region was once all ancient Buddhist, Hindu and Sikhs, that migrated to modern day Indian cities due to violence and economic reasons, but no records or borders at the time. Nor did India keep records of people going to that region for land once non-Muslims left. Another example, almost majority of the British invasion history is found in primarily in North India, when smaller clans in more numbers came through south India ports and some say China as well to minimize competition with royals coming through middle east (this is just British not all of Europeans that came along, and not the ancient European clans in Sikh history), and this is the reason why most Anglo-British DNA is in central southern India. So the geographical history has no role, especially in south Asia that had the most switching of people, because India's migration was never properly tracked and still isn't. Anglo has only studying done with mainly the British, the rest of Europe that came along are not really considered Anglo and forgotten (once again not the same ancient Europe clans in Sikh history. The Jat tribe of Gujrat are among the small few that kept their Jat tribe culture and history but just one extension of the many.

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east to abstain from fish , meat and intoxicants. I do not have this reference handy but try Pyara Singh Padam's works or some other works which details all the hukamnamas of the Gurus. But to say that Sikhism is totally opposed to meat eating is also wrong. Nihang Sikhs are allowed to eat meat if it has been slaughtered as part of shastar tilak and distributed as "Maha Prasad". Please note even Nihang Sikhs are not allowed to consume meat procured in any other way. They don't buy meat from open market. In general, it looks like indiscriminate killing and meat consumption is discouraged in Sikhism but is sometimes allowed in certain cirumstances, provided it accompanies prayer. In Balay wali Sakhi , Guru Nanak eats meat to teach Pandits in Kurukshetra. But he was a Guru ...to the ordinary Sikhs I believe 9th Guru's hukamnama to Poorbi Sikhs would apply. Not sure you agree with this information or find it useful but I thought it might help assist your search for references. Sorry I do not have any references handy. Thanks.--

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people cant even edit information, the pages are designed for editing from various sources. Why should people rely on your article, that uses one source through out the whole article, that was basically written by you. Seems unfair don't you think? Read my sources and reconsidered my edit, because their accurate, while your source is from a author rather than a reputable source. This is why Knowledge (XXG) is not a reliable sources, it all depends on who's on the internet first and who's first to revert information and goes their way. I guess all those years i spent in Asian Anthropology for 8 years have no place here HUH. I know a lot more about the Asia, not just Sikhs but much more, your knowledge is of Sikh history only and i dont know from where you attained the knowledge. I will revert it back or revise it if you want me to, after you reply and tell me why you reverted it, for the Tarkhan clan, did you realize how inaccurate and biased your information was? and i gave a long detailed reason for my edit also.

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world as we find people of all castes (and casteless people as well) taking up and working in roles completely unthinkable just a few decades ago. This, I believe is an extremely positive development, and one which may allow India to be a much fairer and happier society and allow millions to lead far more fulfilling lives. Certainly Jats are found working in practically every possible occupation these days. So, to refer to them as a "peasant caste" is becoming not only more and more irrelevant, but actually serves mostly to cause division and bad feeling. Perhaps a way around this would be to put things in the past tense. For example, it might be possible in the article to say (without, hopefully, starting another bitter feud) that Jats were previously considered to belong to a peasant caste. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on all this. Many thanks for bringing it up. Sincerely,

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are very famous in Sonepat region. There are 2 temples in that region for these 3 brothers. I am in contact with Shishram's Great Grandson and he is providing me the correct information. I had even given references of his website but you removed it. I want to know when you have no knowledge about Kaliram then how can you edit his section? He died in 1946 but you again reverted it back to 1944. I have his picture in Indian Army Dress but I can't upload it because my account is not 90 days old. Tell me what should I do? How will India know about the people who died for them? They were just like Bhagat Singh and they are being treated in this way. Bhagat Singh and all revolutionaries died in vain. Today for even writing about them we need to take permission from others. This is hypocrisy. Please look into this matter.

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started to fight against the members of the same tag team who previously supported him. I, as a Pakistani Muslim, had firsthand knowledge of Pakistan and Islam which he constantly challenged and fought against. He is one of those fanatic ideologues who want to enforce their own version of facts and, because of extremely faulty and unstable nature of Knowledge (XXG), get away with breaking every rule in Knowledge (XXG)'s books by subversion and threats. Because I have realized that Knowledge (XXG) is a hopeless venue with zero respect and is viewed with utter abhorrence in among academia I have ceased to be a regular contributor. Hope this helps.

475:. Some of his concerns are valid; if you are adding content to articles you need to have sources to back it up. There is already so much unsourced content in our India/Pakistan articles, but it is inappropriate to add still more. Same thing goes the other way: If you are removing content that quotes a source, you better have more justification that simply saying "the sources are wrong" before you remove it. When an editor has a concern about your content decisions, please address them; don't just remove them from your talk page. Example: . I have also left a message on the talk page of 4108:

companies goals, companies theories, the statements the company has written define the companies perspective from a direct first person view thus is always the most authentic source in this sense; in this same way this document is a primary source it is also one of prime importance in overall Sikh history as this Rehat Maryada (Damdami Taksal Gurmat Rehat Maryada) was the official Rehat Maryada for Akal Takht for 9 years, until the mid 90's. The document I aim to summarize in a non copyrighted manner to show a quick synopsis of the beliefs of the Taksal from their own words.

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of "support" that could possibly be inferred was "yeah, one of the diffs looked excessive." So far as your complaint about alt accusations, your link just brought me back to a talk page about this current ITF issue, where I don't see anything from me about alts. Are you referring to some other case, and if so what does that have to do with the disagreement between you at ITF? In short, the argument between you and him is not my issue, and I simply told him "can't help you, take it up with ANI if you think you have a case." Hope you guys manage to sort things out amicably.

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called the Guru Panth" OR " Sikhs which have undergone the sacred Amrit Ceremony initiated by the 10th Sikh Guru, Guru Gobind Singh". It is strictly religious. Placing "Khalsa" in the belligerents section from Operation Bluestar is analogous to placing "Muslims" in the belligerents box for the war in afghanistan. I replaced it with Sikh militants, because that's what they were. They were not the "Khalsa". They were Sikh, and they were militants. "Khalsa" is an vague generalization, and may potentially create a negative impression of Sikhs

2223: 2778:– Earnestly speaking, the idea was only to add to the existing page, may be in the shape of ‘spiritual ideology’ or ‘history which was missing, or community service which was untouched. I agree with both of you, that due to lack of familiarity with ‘WIKI policies’, some deviations might have crept in, but that can always be improved with your support, as long as the intentions are good. Being senior members, your support can always go a long way. 1706: 1520: 1376: 1324: 1298: 1267: 1236: 718: 1412: 3939: 1126: 3477: 999: 1645:

be uploaded to Knowledge (XXG) without the consent of the person who took the picture. When a work has not been published in the U.S. but in some other country, that other country's copyright laws also must be taken into account. It is a very complicated business. Private individuals sometimes take their own pictures and upload them to Knowledge (XXG) as well. Further information is available at

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levels of indentation, and doing so risks be mistaken for aggression (in that you're positioning yourself as being "in charge" of the conversation and other editors are merely there to answer you). I realise you're mostly doing it when you want to use a bulleted list, so if you're merely unsure how to indent that, you just put the appropriate number of colons before the hash or asterisk. --

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born into sikh families, who did not follow fundamental or extreme interpretations of sikhism, as being sikh extremist, solely because of their background.this is erroneous and proof is beared by how the documented athiest Bhagat singh was described in the article as being a sikh extremist, despite his non -adherence to the proper definition of sikh extremism.

2112: 4428: 1761:. I've spruced it up as best I can (and learned some interesting new things in the process), but it could really benefit from an editor with a good understanding of Sikhism and its tenets - which, I'm sorry to say, isn't me. If you have an opportunity to take a look at the page, I'd be very appreciative. Cheers, 4373:

I dont agree with the definition of the Khalsa cited above... the Khalsa is not only 'religious'.. it is the political expression of the Sikh nation.. So, when you can place Belligerants "Taliban" versus "NATO".. there is no problem in placing the same here.. The Khalsa has been a belligerant for the

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The problem here is that none of the two things mentioned by the line above appear on that article. There is nothing meat related on that referenced Spgc.net page except a brief mention of transgressions (tabooed practices) must be avoided where it says “Eating the meat of an animal slaughtered the

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You previously stated the Damdami Taksal Rehat Maryada was not a reliable source of information on the Damdami Taksal beliefs section. I understand that self published material may not be the best for historical information but for information like the companies ideologies, companies code of conduct,

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VERY little information is out there about the difference between Jat and Jatt, but Jat is a tribe and Jatt is caste, they are two different people from complete different backgrounds, status and lineage. Jatt are all Sikhs, and Jat can be (Hindu, Sikh, or Muslim). Castes like Chamar and other daljit

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How can I provide sources about the man who is not very famous but has made immense contribution to the society? You must be knowing that many Revolutionary Freedom Fighters of erstwhile Punjab region were not given any recognition by the Indian Government. Kaliram is one of them. He and his brothers

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Sorry, I just saw your message today. Not sure what I could have contributed but the link you left is not directing me to the intended page. The issue of diet is not straight forward in Sikhism. In general meat eating is discouraged. There is a Hukamnama by Guru Tegh Bahadur asking his devotees from

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Hello, Sheokhand, and welcome to Knowledge (XXG). I am Dianna, and I am an administrator on Knowledge (XXG). The photos you suggest, while great pictures, are protected by copyright. In the U.S., any works published after January 1, 1923, are the property of the person who took the picture and cannot

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Firstly, me and other editors have tried to put the links in order of relevance, as some sites are obscure. Also there has been a bit of a free for all, in adding links, therefore we have had to take a view that no more links are added, unless one is removed, and you have to add an edit summary as to

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Also, I believe that the caste system is gradually breaking down and I try not to contribute to people digging their heels in over caste issues. Additionally, I think that saying whether a caste is a caste of peasants, warriors or "royals" is, fortunately, becoming increasing irrelevant in the modern

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Hi! I am so glad you wrote to me on this contentious subject - one that has been troubling me for years. In principle I agree with you totally. On the matter of caste, though - I have found through long and bitter arguments (as I am sure you would be aware) that any mention of caste is likely to stir

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are very clear here. Sikhism is dogged like other religions with religious people full of their own importance. I am only interested in sources from intellectulas who have objectively researched information. You can't change the rules to suit yourself. You are on a final warning so I suggest to look

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case still awaiting comments and replies. If this dispute has been resolved to the satisfaction of the filing editor and all involved parties, please take a moment to add a note about this at the discussion so that a volunteer may close the case as "Resolved". If the dispute is still ongoing, please

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So what i need is your viewpoint what are proper references in your terms. As you are looking and old editor, does not mean that article is yours or i am new or have knowledge about this community does not mean article is mine. i have many facts but i just mention academics and scholarly facts only.

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Rehat and Rahit are Arabic, Hindu and others people names, where as Reht is not. Are you telling us that the Code of Conduct was named after a person, or is it Reht the right translation, if you go on to the SGPC web site they only use the one translation "Reht". Needs to be clear about it, if it is

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As aforesaid by 'Lovermankind' at the concerns raised by you are really genuine and will be addressed soon in the next revisions of the article. Merely reverting the valuable content is not a good solution. Provide the author with a scope of improvement and let him come up with a refined version of

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Dear Mr. Sikh history, i write whatever you entered on your webpage (i am jat), and please listen, m not inexperienced writer on wikipedia. Why you should give me warning without a reason? We are here to not promote or satisfying individuals feelings. We are here to provide authentic information for

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Knowledge (XXG) values the "anyone can edit" philosophy and so is hesitant to lockdown articles except for persistent or egregious vandalism. I am not familiar with "jat"- is that on the level of "nigger" or "faggot" level of hateful slurs or are these edits more of plain unsourced misinformation?

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I have protected this page as you appear to be engaged in an edit war with another editor. Please discuss the merits of your argument on the talk page, then ask an administrator to make appropriate changes to the article as decided by consensus. I make no judgement on the validity of your arguments

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For a seasoned contributor of wikipedia , its strange that you repeatedly make similar unsubstantiated , uncited contributions ....some repeatedly like the following 3 in two different articles , and then not take cognizance of your own edits , attributing them to others or confusion . Since these

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Hi, Sikh History. I hope all is well with you. I just saw your note that you are thinking of doing a user-name change. That might be a good idea, who knows? People might be assuming you are here to promote a particular agenda. Please be sure to drop me a line and let me know what your new user name

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Greetings, I think your concerns are a bit undue as regards any participation on my part in this argument. Intothefires asked me for support/advice, and I simply said "if you feel you have a case, take it to ANI and do it unemotionally, with a clear context, and provide difs." The only vague form

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In fact, it is you who has deleted what I included from the Britannica Online article. Please do not waste my time with your petty arguments on user updated online encyclopedias, which in this case is wikipedia. If you have no better way to spend your free time than to find ways to demean an ethnic

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when someone's replied to them, because it creates a false history of the conversation - even something as minor as bolding a word can make it look like the responding editor chose to ignore your emphasis, which isn't entirely fair. There's also no need to outdent a thread that only has one or two

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think very highly of your contributions, your knowledge and your adherence to the principles of Knowledge (XXG). There was something going on at that time which made it preferable for me to treat both parties as equally right and equally wrong. It would have been easy to use my knowledge of you in

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Thanks! I was pretty sure that its a hoax fabricated to incite communal outrage, but i'm pretty relieved to hear an expert on Sikh history such as yourself confirm it. I did some search on google and all links pointing to the supposed operation were to Khalistani websites. I did a search on google

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Maybe it could be mentioned in the human rights violations article on operation blue star (if there is one that is) however If I find several sources on the topic and the motives of Indian armed forces and the local population who set out to ethnically cleanse the sikhs I think it should deserve a

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Hi, regarding the edit in Jat, could you remove the Jat girl pic of 19th century and replace it, will some other pic of jat female. The pashtun page has many colored pics.Kindly add alike. Honestly there are pics of many pretty Jat women. Can't we add that and remove the one added of Runnea Jatni.

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The diff from December 2009, over a year old, and the more recent diff from February 2011. These are both from the article Nanda, and like any other editor, you are free to remove material that has no citations. In the case of the Nanda article, though, if you strip out all content with no sources

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In reference to the links listed at the end of the Sikhism article, what do you have against alphabeticalizing the links? What is the current order? Order of relevance? Who decides that? Listing the sources in alphabetical order is a neutral, convention that is widely accepted. Why do you not

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I read many books man.. The last reversion on Damdami Taksal was of an old edit that you'll missed, and Dianna didnt seem to delete it then when she edited the page so I didnt touch it because I thought it was okay with both you and her. I wish you best in your Sikh lectures, professor. Take care

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thanks. with todays recent double inclusion (even with "jat" not falling into the "patently offensive" category), the actions are now falling into the "long term persistent and from multiple IPs who are failing to make any effort to discuss" category. If there are any additional issues within the

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very good, and I base this only on the Knowledge (XXG) article about the RIN mutiny (which obviously isn't a reliable source either :-) ) Since it is the article's creator who has changed the year of death to 1946, and since there are no sources for either year, I would lean towards changing it,

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as well. Unfortunately I think that the article will ultimately have to be deleted for lack of notability, since it seems as if there are no reliable sources for it... but concerning Dahiya's year of death, I suspect that 1944 was a typo by the article's creator and that 1946 is the correct year,

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I am not sure whether that video is true and mass rapes occured in order to convert Sikh girls. There certainly are cases of rape during the Delhi pogroms on 1984. I find that very hard to believe and the sources dubious. There is evidence from independent sources of fake encounters instigated by

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That Hukamnama you refer to was found to be a fake. Sikhism is a very pragmatic faith, and is not subject to dogmatic practices. These dogmatic practices were the reasons why Sikhism was formed. It was meant to break away from Hindu dogma. I myself am a vegetarian by choice, but abide by the Akal

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I can only provide you links to the pages where as soon as I did any editing, Rama's Arrow showed up and started an edit war along with his tag team. He and his tag team and meat puppets successfully got me and three other users banned. He was later removed from the post of administrator after he

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i did, look at my explanation. i was talking about how the concept of sikh extremism was being used erroneously in the article. the article was defining sikh extremism, not by an extreme or fundamental interpretation of sikhism and according actions, but instead was simply describing men who were

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I think people deserves to share their views, but in a proper manner. I believe that guy didn't find any other strong reference which is acceptable by you guyz (official editing crew), and he involved informatiom from other websites. Anyone can do that, there are a number of Websites on the World

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I made two changes to the Operation Bluestar page. The first one was that I replaced "Khalsa" with "Sikh extremists" in the Belligerents infobox. The Khalsa is defined as "The Khalsa (Punjabi: ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ; ) is the collective body of all initiated Sikhs represented by the five beloved-ones and can be

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I purpose to rewrite a little briefer than last time, in my own words, and add a citation from which page it comes from on each line, and also include other sources as well where possible.. If you can agree that the english translation of the Damdami Taksal Rehat Maryada published by the Damdami

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i gave all the sources i used from various authors and researchers. I added only three sentences without deleting any of your information and you basically reverted it for no reason without paying any attention or reading the sources or the information i bet. I guess everything goes your way and

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Secondly, I removed "high civilian casualties" and "Sikh fighters killed in military assault on temple complex" in the "results" section of the main infobox. Civilian casualties and the death of belligerents is ubiquitous in virtually every war/battle. It need not be included in the "results".

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Some of your remarks above are a little inflammatory and I suggest that you comment only on the content of the articles and not speculate about the motives for the behaviour of your fellow editors. Please post your comments about articles on the talk pages of those specific articles so that the

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I have entered Sachin Pilot Picure on gujjar wikipedia with genuine way, and you better know that sachin belongs to Gujjar community, and you always delete. We dont need your contribution on Gujjar wikipedia. The everything we write here with full authentic and proofs as described in Government

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The main thing about WP:Reliable is "Knowledge (XXG) articles should be based on reliable, published sources, making sure that all majority and significant minority views that have appeared in those sources are covered" That means that the complete picture should be presented rather than none.

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I am from family of PVC Hoshiar Singh Dahiya. He retired as a Brigadier which can proved if you search on google. The information given on Knowledge (XXG) was incorrect and when I changed it, it was reverted by you. On wikipedia it is given that he retired as Colonel which is not true. And any

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Muslim way;” There is nothing else. There is no mention of a general consensus or anything else implied by that line. Could you please add references or fix this however you find rightful. I apologize for any ill feelings from my part. I hope one day we can work together without any problems.

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section, if they are so interested. And when you have all the authority in the world regarding this article, why are you waiting to revert the edit. Using quotes from other Encyclopedia Websites, doesn't seems to be a solution. Their are a number of Websites on the internet, whose information

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Dear user I have noticed you have some interest in article relating the operation blue star et al I am currently working on a article relating to the use of rape as weapon to coy the population into submission during the insurgency in 1984 in Punjab. I will start this work soon during summer

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I have already used this book as my source Rivalry and brotherhood: politics in the life of farmers in Northern India by Dipankar Gupta. There is also reference to a second book on your list "Social movements and the state by Ghanshyam Shah", I will try to get hold of this as well to further

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Sure, all taken in good faith. Fixing a little spelling is fine if nobody's reacted to the typo, but I trust you can appreciate that going back and emphasising missed points isn't really fair to the editors who missed them - just follow it up with a new comment explaining what they missed.

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Hello Sikh-history. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Knowledge (XXG), in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your

2039:(july/august)after my pharmacy exams would you be willing to contribute? I will let you know around that time and send a link to a sandbox if you want. I believe a separate article is required as it is a notable issue one which should not be whitewashed into sub sections. Regards Billy 1982:

just to gain a broader community view. The reason for this mainly has to do with the large number of Knowledge (XXG) articles that have used this source in the past and which seem to indicate that at least some people have considered it reliable in the past. Does that sound reasonable?

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Mughal and British Empires... The Sikh Army was called as the Khalsa.. refer www.Britishbattles.com the Sikh wars... So, Khalsa is a collective body and not an individual.. A Sikh (baptised) is a member of the Khalsa.. So, it is not appropriate in that sense as cited above.. Thanks

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I'm all for compromise, but you must learn to source better material. You are falling into the google reference search trap. That is not a good way of finding references. As a lecturer on Sikh History I suppose I have an advantage in that I read many books. You must do the same.

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PS. About the use of Encyclopedia Britannica: As it is, like WP, a secondary source, it should be used with great caution - especially on contentious issues. Furthermore, aa it is in competition with WP, I prefer not to use it as a source unless others are not available. Cheers,

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Hi, Intothefire. I was looking at the diff from November, and it appears that the unsourced material of which you complain has since been replaced with sourced content. So I ask you what is the point of asking for a source for it at this time? It is not even in the article any

1894:. I am not unduly concerned about you - we are both capable of having a sensible, civil discussion about things - but in dealing with the IP it really is important that I am seen to play fairly. I mean, we should do that in any case but this one is a bit of an awkward case. 2205:". Thank you. I've asked the editor to tone down their comments and to focus on the content and ensure that the information they want to add is well-sourced and the sources conform with Knowledge (XXG) policies. Please discuss on the dispute resolution noticeboard. Thanks, 1978:) or whether it was something you determined on your own. I'm not versed in matters regarding Sikhism, so I would accept your view in goodfaith, but if no discussion on this topic has yet taken place then I think it might be a good idea to start a thread on the topic at 4201:

Ok so lets see our points of compromise.. Other sources such as books with ISBN numbers numbers are okay to illustrate the beliefs of the Damdami Taksal for you? Is it cool if I use some of those books and write some of their beliefs into the beliefs section??

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about the sourcing of the character's Sikh heritage - I think we need to be cautious about giving too much weight to spin-off novels (which can pretty much say anything they like) when we're describing the character as he appears in the TV series and films.

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and I strongly suspect you belong to this caste and do not want to acknowledge that you are a Chamar. I also am an expert on Caste and will also expand on this article. Unlike you, my sources do not include 120 year old books written by British authors.

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You said I removed content in a Twinkle warning on the 13th but I didn't edit the page that day. Also, if you were reinstating the message you left previously that I blanked, you are not allowed to restore deleted messages on another member's talk page.

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The photo not described who is Guru Har Krishan, how people know that who is "Guru Har Krishan" that's why I removed the image and will upload the new image of Guru Har Krishan Ji image.Let me know your thoughts. ( VPS 18:19, 14 October 2012 (UTC) )

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Hi, I think last paragraph in the article (Guru Nanak in Shikarpur?) should be removed because there is source to verify it. The other reason being when you read the whole paragraph, last three lines had nothing to do with life of Guru Nanak. Thanks

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until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

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Is it possible that you are using content from the book (although its only my guess) "Origins and History of Jats and Other Allied Nomadic Tribes of India By B.S. Nijjar" . If yes you may like to see an interesting comment by a fine editor

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regarding your bias in sources, use of un-necessary warnings on article edits, use of originally researched poorly cited articles as sources of information and finally, your objection to the use of actual published sources. The thread is

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Those are neither the sort of edits I would make nor do they have a damn thing to do with my edit subject. I am very concerned about this and I'm going to check other edits to see if I have been hacked or otherwise compromised.

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What is YOUR proper references? Do you need page and line number of everything? Many references are quite clear which even you have not considered, even one book whose page number i have not mentioned, i can bring before you :

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So, i was wondering. Is Operation Shuddhi Karan a hoax fabricated by Khalistani extremists, or did it in fact occur? You seem to be quite knowledgeable on Sikh history, so i would like to hear from you regarding this. Thanks.

2511:- Sikh-History, This humble being was trying to update the page on 'Sant Nirankari Mission'. I added some spiritual Ideology and other community services being rendered by the Mission. But your kindself reverted that back. 266:

Respected Sir, I do respect this page. I have never made any such attempt which may create any edit war, when you have advised me to not to do so. If you respect this fact a bit, please take necessary action. Sincererly.

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and probably would have qualified earlier. And since the nonsense continues, I have submitted a request for protection, which, given the amount of disruption over the past week, I think any article should qualify. --

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.

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group to satisfy your own insecurities, please do so elsewhere. Knowledge (XXG) is a tool used by many to gain information on a variety of topics, and to give false and or bias information would be an injustice.

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This humble being was trying to update the page on 'Sant Nirankari Mission'. I added some spiritual Ideology and other community services being rendered by the Mission. But your kindself reverted that back.

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there will be virtually nothing left. This is true of many articles about India and is a huge problem as much of India's history and information about clans, tribes, and castes is not written down anywhere.

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Besides, there are many Sardarji jokes which depict the Sikhs as witty (such as some of the Pakistan-bashing ones). I've long wanted to add a "positive stereotypes" section to the article, but can't find

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it clearly states that when reputable sources contradict one another and are relatively equal in prominence, then the person editing the text is expected to describe both approaches and work for balance.

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Please tell me whether books written by Col. James Tod can be used as a reference to post information on Knowledge (XXG) or not (if the text is used in accordance with the guidelines of Knowledge (XXG))

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One good thing that should come out of it is that I may begin to get a better understanding of the people and the period that the article covers. I am coming at it with little or no prior knowledge! -

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Hello sahota is ramgarhia tribe of tarkhan caste. i have many cousins surname name sahota they all tarkahns, ramgarhias plz edit sahota page same as panesar,sagoo,hunjan,bhogal (clan ramgarhia)

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And one more submission, that Bharat42 and myself are not same, and there is absolutely no intention to do anything tnat is not constructive. I hope you will take my words. Thanks and Regards. --

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someone is asking, politely, about Sikhs and Punjabi ethnicity. I thought you might be able to give a well-informed answer. Some of us have done our best but we're not experts. Best wishes.

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Hello and thanks. But i must say that i used wiki's for references in rare cases moreover i used them bcz they have further references to sources. Anyway I'll keep your suggestion in mind.

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Knowledge (XXG) sometimes becomes a status bar from which people start stereotyping the community (and children identify and know about themselves). It is request, please change the pic.

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Additionally the display pic, shows Jats as Hindus, wouldn't that create issues with the non-hindu communities.I mean the muslim Jats can raise an objection to it. Kindly look into it.--

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Please stop the deleting the trusted and genuine text and history. You dont have right to interfere in Gujjar history and its personalities I think you have much better things to do.

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hello sikh history guy am i tarkhan for some reason sahota are not jat never will be jat also way remain tarkhan and why u deleting my edit page on sahota its tarkhans or ramgarhia --

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Hi, I noticed that you've been systematically removing citations to panthic.org in the reference sections of Knowledge (XXG) articles. Your edit summary suggests that this is not a

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Furthurmore, as you told me that there are many references which describes the same view as the Encyclopedia Website from which the information has been posted in particular, then

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Labana will have history of Labanas (Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs) and have their background...... but you are reverting blindly without giving any reason. May i know the reason why? (

SH, the page on 'Sant Nirankari Mission' is under contruction. There will be nothing unreferenced eventually. Kindly bear with it, let the task come to a finishing state. Thanks

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So please enlighten me what are proper references, so that i can update accordingly? Don't just throw wiki link and run away because you may do the same thing again. Regards

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That definition / description should be clearly stated in the first sentence, and then the fact that it is derived from a person's name can follow to give context. Thanks! --

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community at large will be aware of the discussion. Persons interested in the Nanda article would not think to check this page for discussion about its content. Thank you. --

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Thanks for you note. I guess I'm just trying to figure out whether panthic.org's putative unreliability is a determination that has been made by the community (perhaps at

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And of-course, I do respect the fact that you have always tredted me with leniency. And, I have never used any such comments like 'biased' for you Sir or anyone else, ever

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I was going to email you in response to your comment on 1 April at my talk page but I now find that you do not have email enabled. No worries, just please don't sulk. I

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The user-icon (or whatever it is called) "This user is mortal" touched me. It shows wisdom - of the humble kind, not the self-aggrandising kind. Friendly regards,

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if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Knowledge (XXG) (see

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is a better title -- we should assume that the reader will be intelligent enough to realize that the stereotype of blond women being considered stupid is sexist.

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pending sourcing or a deletion discussion. But you are much more of an expert on this subject than I am, and I defer to your knowledge here. All the best, --

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Could you please provide the list of valid references which should be used for this article and invalid references too or any other mistake while updating?

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You are an administrator , and I am Intrigued by how you are misusing your powers to provide misleading edits , references and deletions of valid content .

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I think it's best to leave the article with a "neutral perspective" look. Otherwise, the reader may be dismissive of it as propaganda. Just my two cents.

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Ok fair enough. I had made spelling and grammar mistakes and wanted to highlight areas where I thought the two fellow editors had missed points. Thanks

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the website appears to be fairly reliable. Was there a discussion on Knowledge (XXG) where it was determined that this is an unreliable site? Thanks. -

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named after a person then sticking to Rehat or Rahit would be ok, but if it is not then Reht should only be used. It will save on world confussion.

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Hi, as an uninvolved watchlister I am a bit tired of all these claims and counter claims to the whole section of articles and I think its time for a

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You are always very quick in reverting edits of the people. But Sir, why are you ignoring what's going on, in the introduction section of the article

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why aren't they put as a reference; but instead, an Encyclopedia Website has been directly used as a reference, in an article of Knowledge (XXG)!!!

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order to push something one way or another and very probably that would have been a push in the right direction, but sometimes it seems better to

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Just too many Punjab ethnological articles have been befuddled by insertion of phony un cited information and persistent mis categorization .

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up reams of heated debate that never seems to get anywhere and is just a great waste of time and energy (two things I am running short of).

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if all of the edits are coming from a single IP, then make sure you are giving them a series of escalating warnings (see the templates here

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contradicts with each other; this is only going to create edit wars. Please look into the matter. I am looking forward for yor cooperation.

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instead of deleting the line I wrote, you could have used any phrase like, On the other hand; and then described another views as well, Sir

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May be got a bit emotional. Unfortunately there seems to be many edit wars over South Asian articles, and thats why I got a bit flustered.

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A person seems to have directly added the quote from another Encyclopedia Website, using that particular encyclopedia cite as a reference

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Respected Sir, I have two queries, but they are inter-linked with each other, that's why I am putting them together here. I have read

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but Sikhs are not bound to be meat-free. The general consensus is that Sikhs are free to choose whether to adopt a meat diet or not.

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has covered what I would have stated. Remember, Knowledge (XXG), is an encyclopedia, and therefore we must treat it as such. Thanks

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is, if you decide to make a change. And thank you for taking my criticism last week with your usual good humour. Happy editing, --

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I noticed you are heavily into Sikhism, and I could sure use your input. What would be the best ways to improve this article?

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Hi. The text saying Sikhs smoke cannabis has now been removed; you may wish to add the page to your watchlist however. Cheers!

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Could you help re-write the lead sentence? What exactly is "Ahluwalia" - is it a language? a clan? a caste? a slang insult?

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Furthur, even if their is any such person, then also, both the statements deserves to be on the page. I believe that's what

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I have not delete any dissociation, please let me know how can I improve this article.(VPS 02:20, 15 October 2012 (UTC))

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based on the fact that he was supposedly killed in the Pune Harbour mutiny, which from what I understand was part of the

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Such ones should be limited only on the talk pages, and not on main page of the article. Ask them to discuss on talk page

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Hi. It seems that you have put in extensive effort developing this article would you mind putting in a tiny bit more.

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next few days, I would certainly report it to the RPP and request semi protection, probably for a couple of months. --

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changes that I make to the articles are being reverted. This is totally misuse of the power. Please correct the same.

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I would have posted new text under old one, but a gentlemen seems to have interrupted the section I started, in between

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his article. I think your are satisfied with my reply and have faith in me. Thanks for your support. Jaspreet Singh

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I also helped created articles on rape such as rape in jammu and kashmir so I do have some experience in this subject

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Article is not a correct photo.Please change the photo.Let me know your thoughts.(VPS 13:45, 20 October 2012 (UTC))

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article is reverted where most of quotes are from different books which are mentioned in references, with pages too.

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Something I am not familiar with but would interest me. Whether it is worthy of a seperate article is questionable.

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Hi, personally, I'm against derogatory Sardarji jokes, but a title like "Racist jokes against Sardarjis" would be a

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Wide Web. This one needs your attention. Everybody should be given a chance to edit, but with neutral approach, and

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I thought it best to highlight my apology incase David an the Anon IP missed it. I didn't mean anything. Thanks

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Generally, when a Knowledge (XXG) article contains copy and pasted content from a website, you should tag it as

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Akashasr had already received a 3RR warning just before that edit, then when they did the thing I took them to

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The reason for deleting this article is missing from this Articles for deletion discussion that you started. --

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again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on

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It does, but I think you will find it is sometimes difficult to get consensus there. Thanks for the heads up

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demands. And so Respected Sir, I once again Request you to look into the matter, and take necessary steps.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Tadeusz_Sulimirski_.26_Rahul_Sankrityayan

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Editor DBacham, got rid of many of the 19th century references, because they were simply wrong. Thanks--

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if not too difficult, give me your mail ID, so that we can interact. I am based in Chandigarh, India.

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Thank you very much, appreciated. If there are any sources available you know, can you cite there ? --

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Article is right if Yes! let me know where you find this image. ( VPS 18:19, 14 October 2012 (UTC) )

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to stop all the reverting, what do you think? Which article is the most central for the discussion -

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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Akhand_Kirtani_Jatha&diff=562846773&oldid=562258277

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ghazette. Dont try to remove any genuine text from Gujjar. We know about your conspiracy. Thanks

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Hi while surfing Youtube, i found the following vid and was very disturbed by what it claimed.

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Here are two examples , I could explicitly provide several more instances in other articles .

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Taksal is a good source for the beliefs section I will begin working on it promptly. Thanks

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I noticed there has been lots of vandalism on your talk page, have you thought of blocking?

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If it is the latter, then a few edits over a few days doesnt generally meet the threshold.

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seperate article I will tinker for a few weeks at the moment and let you know cheers

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See the discssion page for this. There are multiple issues with your sources. Thanks

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I apologise if I appear to be coming down heavily on the sources that are used in

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sources should directly support the information as it is presented in an article.

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I noticed that user Singhprince is adding some unverified content to the article

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TheJatBoy: Its true that Sachin Pilot is Gurjar. He is not Jat. I am 100% sure.

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Secondly you are Sikh history not Labana history and you are authorize to touch

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http://sareedreams.com/2011/07/surprisingly-simple-sarees-on-patialas-maharanis/

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Where, according to my history, have i been deleting properly cited information?

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Sitush pointed out that Caste articles are subject to special treatment under

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I have examined some of the diffs for the recent dispute between yourself and

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Takht ruling that non-Kutha meat maybe consumed by Amritdhari Sikhs. Thanks

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Request to review role of Sikh-history as administrator in Jatt Sikh article

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title. To give an analogy, "Sexist blonde stereotype" would be a POV title;

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Where are the references?Not one proper reference has been provided. Thanks

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can any of their writer counterbalance the reputation of Col. James Tod!!!

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regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "

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are hundreds of books that refer to the "Jat peasant" caste. It's called

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My Dear Sir, it seems some people are interested in ruining the article.

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This is a friendly reminder to involved parties that there is a current

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My Dear Sikh-History Sir, Thank You very much for your valuable time.

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http://www.liveindia.com/shimla/Maharaja_Bhupinder_Singh_Patiala.html

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I want to know how you can said that the photo which is attached in

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Discussion at Talk:Sant Nirankari Mission#Improve this article

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Mr Sikh history, you are the one with an agenda and trying to

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regarding a possible violation of Knowledge (XXG)'s policy on

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Good day Sikh History, it'd be appreciated if you chipped in

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to request protection, go to the request for protection page

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in Sources under 'Context matters' in the 'Overview' states

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Sikh Rehat Maryada, Sikh Rahit Marayada, Sikh Reht Maryada.

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