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expert historians (with some exceptions in the way of historians) that the Papal Bull (not a mere letter) of permission from Adrian was indeed genuine. That is why Popes
Alexander III, and Lucius III invoked it in anointing King Henry and King John with the title Dominus Hiberniae (Lord of Ireland). This title and state survived until Henry VIII was forced on it's account to take action to have himself declared King by the Irish Parliament after the schism in 1542. The reason I changed it back sans comment was that you had made the change without the courtesy of discussing it. Please read up on Laudabiliter. There's lots of stuff out there, including Cardinal Moran, and my namesake Patrick Geoghegan, the Irish historian. Your narrative as it stands, quoting one intractable historian only is way too negative. But the issue is pertinent. Few now dispute the existence of Laudabiliter as the instrument for church reform which was was the major issue (Rome and money). Nothing new there, Tameanseo. (
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you added this guy's name in Irish. I Googled his name, and looked on the team web page, but I couldn't really find anything that linked that particular surname with the player. Do you know if that really is his Irish surname? Just asking because there are numerous ways of rendering that surname (see
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In summary, for modern Irish, "TiobĂłid na Long" is correct. For the Irish of the late 16th and early 17th centuries, you'll find spellings like "TepĂłitt na Long", "Teaboitt na Long" in Irish writings from around the time he lived, such as "Beatha Aodha Ruaidh UĂ Dhomhnaill" and the Annals of the
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Hi Red Hurley, no offence but I'm afraid you're incorrect on this point. I'm guessing you don't have a great deal of Irish? Tibbott ne Long is not Irish (16th/17th century or modern), it's an anglicisation of the Irish. I don't have a problem with mentioning it in the article, but it shouldn't be
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Hi there. I've been trying to reach some sort of conclusion on whether Leac or Leic is the correct Irish word. I based my last edit on some text from the latest Parish magazine! - Having done some Googling it appears that both translations are floating around. This is kind of circular, because if
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Apologies, I should clarify, I messed up my original post. The terms in question are 'Léic Snámha' (Swimming Lake) or 'Leac Snámha' (Swimming Flagstone) - The flagstone (Leac) reference is to the original bridge over the River Brick. There is no 'swimming lake' in Lixnaw, so I'm not sure how the
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Most anecdotal evidence I've heard from locals (not admissible as wiki links!) point to 'flagstone' being the correct form. If 'Leac' is correct, then we're back to the 'Swimming Lake' explanation of a few edits ago (problem being that there are no 'swimming lakes' in Lixnaw, but there was a
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I dont see any systematic bias in the dozen examples chosen, and the site has the advantage of displaying them all side by side, but if you can find a better replacement please go ahead. Btw, I cant find a single example of ", today", including the Catholic NAB and Douay-Rheims.
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I have removed it but you put it back. The article you choose to take this from is incorrect. The players held a press conference which the Independent also covered where they stated "No players want to play under McCarthy"
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for each spelling, and you'll see 3 for Tioboid na Long, thousands for the "old" spellings. Sad to say, Irish has changed quite a bit since his day – and even since the 1960s when I learnt it.
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