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Creation Manual has been modified by the N3V Wiki, is that official web site authority enough for you? All registered users, the whole million plus cut out on one sentence, can readily verify that number. The real one's are a quite a bit larger. How many Trainzers do you think can quibble with the facts I wrote. So, I think you miss the point. It's verifiable. I cited THE SOURCE, not me, the DLS and CM. That neutral enough? Christ on a crutch! You don't care about the mission, only the rules.
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to string together all that technical jargon as you called it should give you a clue that my information is hardly unsourced. How is that different than reading an web reference and interpreting for the citation justification. Same reasoning process. Comprehension+source. SO, I put in citations if and where needed. And not one more than necessary, they make editing too hard.
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to a total layman what Trainz is deserves to be more of a goal. The sheer weight of the article does not impart more truth to it - in fact, all those big words and technical information go opposite of clarity: They state that the authors cannot express the ideas behind the article with ease and simplicity. It's a language problem. A communication problem.
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I really don't have time nor energy for you right now. Where is there OR in reporting for example, build numbers from the computer registry, or if you read the citation you question, the count of assets readily verifiable by anyone. Basically, you're calling into question my veracity, and the ability
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I don't have time for talk page chit chat right now, I'm not that fast a typist. I've got concurrent edits open on six pages between wikibooks and the N3V wiki and here. Roll that back and I'll work through your nit-picks and incorporate what I agree with in the next couple of days. I'll let you know
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No, I will not just take it as a fact that you know more about this subject than everybody else merely because you can write overly-long, complex, articles with an unneccesarily-high reading comprehension level. A clear, easy-to-read article, with good citations to support it, that clearly explains
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You are not discussing your rationale for keeping your edits - you are just asserting that because you have
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Conflicts - this is a common practice that you called childish. Your edits are not justified for the simple reason of you have not explained or properly backed them up. You just say your eyes
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Anyone can get a Trainz manual and check things, so now you are just being silly. These things are called "crystalized knowledge", like common topics in a text book, they don't need cites for the information is widely disseminated. You do know for example, the TRS2006 manual is published as is for
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I'm also visually impaired, so fly your bot if you must, but I'm still incorporating new material (see below). That was a two days edit you just reverted. I'll get back and tidy up per your edit stream but you BOT operators aren't careful enough. BTW, How can anyone respect you as an editor if you
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Well, I see what you just posted, and I can see you are not open to listening at all. I will have to open this up to mediation with a volunteer. "incorporate what I agree with in the next couple of days" is a clear statement that you fully intend to keep adding OR material, as well as unsourced
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This article needs citations as to how well it has sold, what reviewers have thought of it, etc. if you cannot take the time to properly do this, you need to stop editing this article.
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