648:. Does the UN council report address propaganda banners specifically, and link them to human rights issues? Unless it does, I'm not sure this is the proper place for this photograph. We'd also need a citation for the claim "Propaganda is widely and publicly used in Vietnam as a tool for controlling people's mind". It's a good photo, though, so maybe we can find a better fit for it elsewhere in this article or in another article. Let me know what you think. --
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Vietname in 1974 (this is of course mentioned elsewhere in the article). I'll try to think of a way to represent this without the article either claiming that China justly enforced its ancient rights nor that it brutally occupied the sovereign territory of Vietnam. I'll implement these changes.
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Am I missing something here? Are the common
English names actually not common? Are they translations of the Chinese names but not the Vietnamese ones or vice-versa? My guess: since they appear in the CIA map, that qualifies them as modern names in common usage, suggesting that they should be used
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If you feel that it is important to mention the
Chinese and Vietnamese names in the text, here is an alternative: we could eliminate the table instead, and put the transliterations now in the table into the text. I feel that this would make the article less fluid and harder to read, recognize this
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I recognize that the naming of the
Islands is controversial, and that both the Chinese and Vietnamese sides wish to establish their own names for these Islands to push their own claim. I recognize that it may be important to list the Chinese and Vietnamese names at least once in the article, which
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for posters or billboards or something. If you're asking about the photos I personally took two years ago, I never actually uploaded them. If you can't find any or take your own photos in the field, I might look into mine in a couple weeks. It'll depend on the state of the article. Try to get the
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I can tell you that I am neither
Chinese nor Vietnamese and have no personal stake in the outcome of the Paracel dispute. But I feel that the English Knowledge article is not an appropriate forum for this kind of dispute, which is, unfortunately, all too common. Fortunately, the Paracel Islands
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Right now, the article is quite long for a grouping with a population in the tens. I think the article should be made shorter. Part of what makes the article so long is that when any island is mentioned, it is followed by its
Chinese name and its Vietnamese name. The Chinese names are listed at
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Thanks for your replay
Trananh. After reading it, I think we agree: English names only throughout the article, except both Chinese and Vietnamese names in the table. English names from the CIA map. Looking over the introduction, I agree that it should mention that physical control passed from
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is why I left them in the table (though the style manual suggests that even this may not be necessary) But they do not need to be repeated throughout the article. Using the common
English names in the English Knowledge is actually more neutral than using the Chinese or Vietnamese names.
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Sounds fine to me. The important thing will be finding reliable sources that talk about propaganda in
Vietnam as a human rights issue. But this seems do-able. Then that photo will be a great addition, I think. if you want to try to add this, I'll be happy to look it over. Cheers
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At any rate, it is, I think, not proper to include
Chinese Characters without a translation or transliteration as you have done. These are available in the table as appropriate. But duplicating them in the rest of the article would only make the article that much longer.
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I saw that you added back the Chinese and Vietnamese names for every island in the Paracel Islands article. May I please submit to you why I don't think this is necessary?
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