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Northern Europe article itself, out of the four main definitions we use there, only two of them include the Baltic countries. That's the same as the British Isles. I don't understand why this is so difficult for you, it's not about being "picky", it's about upholding basic Knowledge (XXG) concepts like due weight. We can look below, or indeed further in your history on this talk page to see that I've not been the only one having issues with you, and if you won't drop the stick then I'll take this wherever it needs to go because it's clearly disruptive.
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The same thing that has apparently been going on for years, I am just expressing disbelief that people still need to come here and raise this issue despite you apparently saying you would stop. Hopefully, this time you're actually true to your word.
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