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could be made less stringent. Perhaps something along the lines of requiring just one reliable independent ref, and the requirement only proving that the entity exists, and maybe that other material from the article could come from non-independent sources -- the company's web site, for instance. Or
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Granted "being helpful to corporations" isn't really part of our core mission, but remember the point here is to get the PR industry off our case and out of our Knowledge, and this helps this by removing both a philosophical argument for their involvement and a practical reason for same, to some
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It'd be silly to take this entirely at face value (because for one thing "neutral and fair" depends on your point of view, and it's only human for one's point of view may be influenced by who is cutting one's paycheck). BUT, these are valid concerns and, when they do occur, serious problems (the
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Since proof of existence is a simple bright-line test, this would also obviate a lot of contentious discussions about whether a particular entity is or is not notable, which discussions probably sometimes draw in in covert or overt paid agents, which is what we're trying to avoid.
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matter it's better, tactically, to allow this as opposed to driving it all underground; that's a different issue and outside the scope of this page.) So, is there another way, rather than allowing or welcoming paid reputation-management agents, to address these concerns?
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This implies the creation, manning, and efficient operation of a "biographies of extant organizations noticeboard", which seems doable. The Foundation would possibly (maybe) take a hand in promoting and perhaps even monitoring this effort if it gains any traction.
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There's derogatory and false (or at any rate unsourced) information about their client in their article. Their client doesn't know how to engage Knowledge effectively (e.g. OTRS, edit within our rules, etc.) and so they need professionals to fix
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And some clients would like to have a Knowledge article, and believe that they are sufficiently notable, but there's no article; and they don't want to wait years (or forever) for some random person to create the article. And if they
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information, but the article is slanted and looks rather like a hatchet job. Our client simply wants a neutral and fair article (which is what Wikipedians should want also). Again, a professional is best suited to fixing
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first two anyway). Because they are valid concerns and serious problems, these are good reasons (or excuses if you prefer) for PR firms and paid reputation-management agents to claim a
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This would be helpful to corporations, especially corporations whose Google profile is not so good, since the Knowledge article would likely rise to the top or near and per
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While this remains on the table, it's secondary and peripheral, and is a distraction from the main point, so we've made it less visible. Discussion remains open though.
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While this remains on the table, it's secondary and peripheral, and is a distraction from the main point, so we've made it less visible. Discussion remains open though.
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or deprecatory. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if there are other concerns about edits related to an extant organization, please report the issue to the
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Yes, possibly, and I have some concrete suggestions. This is not going to happen right away but it's something worth talking about, maybe. What I'm proposing is:
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There's been some discussion over paid reputation-management editing. It's a complicated and contentious issue, and if I'm understanding the debate correctly,
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etc.) for essays and proposals in Knowledge space. Later it could be made into an an essay or proposal or whatever in Knowledge space if this seems called for.
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sufficiently notable then an article would enhance the Knowledge, which should meet the desires both of our client and Wikipedians generally.
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If you are concerned about the accuracy or appropriateness of material about an extant corporation or similar organization on Knowledge
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For my part, I'm against paid reputation-management agents being allowed to edit the Knowledge. (There is the question of whether as
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Welcome to Knowledge. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add
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A step beyond this but arguably necessary would be the deployment of corresponding warning templates on the order of
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firms are offering the following types of cases where their intervention is needed or useful:
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As the main proposal, creation of an "Articles about Extant Corporations" policy similar to
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As a secondary proposal, the deployment of a template which is essentially the converse of
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Although this page is in userspace, feel free to edit it, subject to the usual terms (
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Various details to be worked out but the basic thrust would be similar to
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Knowledge page must be written with the greatest care and attention to
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As a secondary proposal, perhaps looser notability requirements for
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are against Knowledge policy and not permitted. Take a look at the
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from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially
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derogatory material to articles or other Knowledge pages.
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But we don't have the converse, something like this:
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like people so there'd have to be some changes from
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User:Herostratus
Knowledge:AEO
Shortcut
WP:AEO
WP:BRD
PR
Biographies of living persons (BLP)
WP:CORP
advert
WP:BLP
WP:BLP
verifiability
neutrality
avoiding original research
articles about extant organizations noticeboard
Dealing with articles about your organization
articles about extant organizations
poorly sourced
libellous
articles about extant organizations noticeboard
some page
WP:CORP
WP:CORP
WP:AEC
Hatchetjob
advert
advert
an advertisement
improve it
neutral point of view

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