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I see you've now added a whole list of pages to this AfD, but you seem to be proposing merging instead of deletion. If that's the proposal, AfD is not the right place for it. In any case, I think the case for keeping is even stronger for some of the others. Take
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per nom. Maybe we also need to review if the various
Chinese-language titled dab pages are duplicating existing English-language titled dab pages like this AfD for instance, frequently saw multiple of such recently in Page Curation, all created by the same user.
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If someone runs across a CJK string and doesn't understand it, I would expect them to look that up in a dictionary first, and from there (from that dictionary entry) decide 1) which language they are interested in, and 2) whether they want to know about the
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If so, we are basically reproducing a lot of information that is often already hosted at
Wiktionary. This strikes me as a lot of work -- both the initial build-out, and then the ongoing maintenance work -- for no appreciable benefit.
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