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301: 959:: There is no sense in keeping an article bearing a title in Chinese, since, right away, the article would be impossible for the overwhelming majority of English Knowledge users to search & find. Therefore, we either locate an "acceptable transliteration" or the article gets defenestrated. Keep in mind that a decent transliteration would suffice, since we can create Redirects to it from the other versions. - 926:, but in cases where they are ambiguous between pages related to two or more languages, the usual solution is to make them disambiguation pages. If you disagree with the broader practice of catering to foreign-language search terms for topics related to that language, that might be something to discuss at 544:
I see you've now added a whole list of pages to this AfD, but you seem to be proposing merging instead of deletion. If that's the proposal, AfD is not the right place for it. In any case, I think the case for keeping is even stronger for some of the others. Take
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per nom. Maybe we also need to review if the various Chinese-language titled dab pages are duplicating existing English-language titled dab pages like this AfD for instance, frequently saw multiple of such recently in Page Curation, all created by the same user.
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If someone runs across a CJK string and doesn't understand it, I would expect them to look that up in a dictionary first, and from there (from that dictionary entry) decide 1) which language they are interested in, and 2) whether they want to know about the
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If so, we are basically reproducing a lot of information that is often already hosted at Wiktionary. This strikes me as a lot of work -- both the initial build-out, and then the ongoing maintenance work -- for no appreciable benefit.
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Let's clarify that the previous discussion did not end with any kind of decision. The nomination was withdrawn by the initiator in order "to create a broader discussion for deleting all pages in this category."
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Not really. The rationale, scope, and suggested outcome of the proposal have all been changed. As long as the title of these dab pages hold a major place in each other, they could be merged together, such as
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exists, it could be kept as it is. While the other nominated CJKV dab pages do have benefit to get merged with the only dab page of its transliteration.
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per nom. I acknowledge the twin transliterations involved, but that can easily be handled on the target DAB page, with something like, "
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together with their major translation if the Chinese characters also hold the major place in dab page of this translation.
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How is this encyclopedic content for an English-language audience? Is this not more appropriate to host at EN Wiktionary?
615:, not all entries in these pages are transliterated from "台東". Thus, you have to add every matched entries directly into 898:
referred to by that word, as described in English (subject-matter information possibly appropriate for an encyclopedia).
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here while I expanded the former because not all of its entries are transliterated from 土城. However, as the precedence
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An article with a fair or better chance of standing on its own merits should not be bundled—nominate it separately
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Are we really intent on including pages for potentially any and every title in the ZH, JA, and KO Wikipedias?
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A CJKV dab page with more than two transliterations doesn't have to be one with no primary topic, such as
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
922:. CJKV titles are sometimes appropriate as redirects, per longstanding practice described at 35:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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THere doesn't appear to be a pressing need to close this, so relisting for more discussion.
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has added several other pages to this AfD. You may want to update your comment. —
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correspond to the Chinese characters "土城". Therefore, these dab pages could be
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have a major transliteration "Tucheng" and additionally most of the entries in
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has to be expanded to entries which was actually transliterated from "土城" and
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I do not understand the rationale for CJK entries on the EN Knowledge.
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is clearly the primary topic with respect to usage in this case.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Since "土城" has two transliterations ("Tucheng" and "Toseong"),
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is a different transliteration of "南禪寺" from "Nanchan Temple".
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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I choose to remove all of the bundled nominated articles per
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is not a valid entry for some reason, then we can merge to
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and the base name will be turned into a primary redirect.
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Knowledge:WikiProject Disambiguation/CJKV task force
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That seems unhelpful for readers. 83: 738:There were originally only two topics 589:has no major transliteration and both 312: 7: 699:is a necessary disambiguation page. 24: 762:, otherwise it could be moved to 754:to be merged and redirected into 727:("Angang", "Ankang" and "Ankō"). 369:lists for the following topics: 299: 116:Introduction to deletion process 748:Nanchan Temple (disambiguation) 691:Tucheng station (Tianjin Metro) 659:is "土城驛". 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