780:). You can easily find secondary sources for COSCO Shipping Lines to verify the content. Also, there is all the history of COSCON and CSCL. Whereas COSCO Shipping Holdings (and its predecessors) is just a holding company, so it suffices to mention it in COSCO Shipping parent group. You may argue that my rationale is arbitrary. However, think of this, I cannot find enough noteworthy content to justify keeping COSCO Shipping Holdings as a separate article, which is why I agreed to your proposed merge. Also
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1964年4月1日，中远公司的第二个分公司上海远洋运输分公司（以下简称上海分公司）宣告成立，成立时的旧址在上海市中山东一路5号，= In 1964, China Ocean
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1993年10月5日，中远投资（新加坡）有限公司在新加坡成功上市，吹响了中远全面进军资本市场的号角，同时也成为第一家进入海外资本市场的中国国有企业
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