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long standing pattern of nominations seeking to exclude a huge swath of Latter-day Saint sources. This nomination is even worse considering it is a rehash of a previous nomination. In the last there were two keep votes and no one supported this editors crusade of seeking to wipe out articles on Latter-day Saints, especially Latter-day Saint women. This is becoming tedious. The analysis involves moving the goal posts. Articles do not need to provide biographical information to be signifant coverage. If papers feel the persons remarks are worth reporting on, than this is a sign of notability. Every source adds at least some to notability, and at least 3 are independet, 3rd party sources that have enough coverge to pass GNG.
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The so called primary sources are secondary newspaper sources. The attempt to call others not significant coverage is an abuse of the term. The whole nomination is misussing terms. Articles published in news papers, subject to editors other than the subject, are not primary sources. This is part of a
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article's entire coverage of the subject is "Cheryl A. Esplin, a counselor in the General Primary Presidency of the Church, provided training to women who support parents in teaching children." The
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story on the visit to Asia is actually the church's newsroom PR blurb, lightly edited for republication, and is therefore not independent. It doesn't add up to
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Also, this nomination has nothing to do with the subject's gender as insinuated above, and notability is not gender-based.
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Furthermore, passing mentions and name checks ≠ significant coverage, and just do not qualify notability.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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of the LDS Church. This is a primary source; it is not an independent, secondary source.
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Note that user JohnPackLambert as creator of this article is not an uninvolved editor.
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the LDS Church. This is a primary source; it is not an independent, secondary source.
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Teaching Our Children to Understand. Cheryl A. Esplin - April 2012 General Conference
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Concur with the nominator's evaluation of sources as not independent (lds.org,
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Walch, Tad (21 November 2015). "Mormon women leaders visit Asia". Deseret News.
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about the subject, with the remaining content consisting of quotations.
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about the subject, with the remaining content consisting of quotations.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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of The LDS Church; it is not an independent, secondary source.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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about the subject, and a single (primary) quotation.
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