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the contrary - the downsides and current consensus/dissent about the topic should be well presented, so that when one will leaves well informed after reading the wikipedia page on this topic, instead of empty handed (empty-brained?). I my personal opinion think the current pages need some serious balancing from the technical and financial difficulties side, in comparison with other technologies - same goes for the solar pond idea - but that does not mean an article has no place in wikipedia. Sometimes a bad article with lots of warnings is better than no article at all, at least for a start. Go back to the very early history on a lot of articles. Many started with 2 sentences, and were considered bad articles, but after about 3 years they often get nominated to front page.
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I think keep the entries, but the current ones may need some serious fixup. Just because a topic is considered pseudoscience by some, or because a method of doing something is not the best(most efficient, most profitable) method of doing something, it does not mean it does not belong to wikipedia. On
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nonsense. However, I don't believe non-English language news stories make something notable, and that's the closest it's got to sources. Even if they were English I'd be inclined to suspect that the writers were simply repeating something they heard from a company representative. (That's based on a
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of the subject. I am shocked by the claim that "non-English language news stories" cannot make something notable! Are news reports written by Spaniards or Latin Americans somehow inferior to reports written by Anglophones? I realise this racist/nationalist sentiment is not what
560:. No reason has been presented to suspect that these sources are not reliable (they are as far as I can tell) except that they are in Spanish. In any case, I have formatted them as references and incorporated them into the article (slightly expanded). -- 155:. The only source of information is a blog, AFAIK there are no concrete plans to built one, all there is is a "proposal". So until it is actually built, and in working order this should be considered "promotion", and does not belong in Knowledge 489:
Pray tell me: If this Spanish language news story were all that notable then why did not a single English language news source bother to report it? I also checked Dutch, German, and French language news sources, and they didn't report it
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Google translation - it's hard to tell from a machine translation, but it didn't look like more than regurgitation of company claims). It probably deserves to be deleted, but moderation is good, and a more moderate approach is to
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relevant is that at least two independent sources have non-trivially reported on the subject (and "looking like" a "regurgitation of company claims"--a disputable claim--is not the same as being a press release). --
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Why didn't news sources in other languages report it? I don't know but that question is irrelevant. I'm sure news sources in Kinyarwanda or Wolof also didn't report the story ... A language is a language. What
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section) listing the tallest buildings, both proposed and actual. The proposal appears to be encyclopedic to me... People are likely to come here looking for it, even (perhaps especially) if it goes the way of
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to me. Objections to the cost or conversion efficiency have nothing to do with the notability of the tower in question. If the tower has been seriously proposed, and if it has been written about in
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purely on the grounds that it has not yet been built. It almost certainly will be N if they ever do build it. A great many projects get approved that never get actually built. Not just theirs'.
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with a put-on Spanish accent (pretend the single "c" is an "s" and the double "c" is an "x") and ask another English speaker what you've said and I think it will come close... (;-: -->
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intended, but there's really no reason why a source in one language is inherently inferior to a source in another. Merging the limited content of this article into
227:. There is no need to expand the present article to describe that technology; that would merely be duplicating what is (or should) be in the other article. The 254:, AFAIK there is no evidence that funding has been secured, and that actual progress towards its construction is being made. In view of the track record of 94: 89: 98: 81: 304:. This stub appears to have been created as part of a commendable project to create articles from all the entries in a website (cited in the 147:
technology, and that the Cost of Energy (cents/kWh) is likely to end up 5x higher than other alternative sources of energy. Now the
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is about a specific proposal to built on of these in Spain, but is lacking reliable sources to show that it will actually happen.
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on a proposed tower in Australia. This article should be merged into that section as another example of a proposed tower.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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is yet another attempt of promotion of the Solar Tower®. For an extensive discussion of this issue, see
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I appreciate your trying to rein in the wikispammers, but this AfD nomination sounds dangerously like
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grant from the Australian government. Perhaps we should change the header of that section to "
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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that have never been built I don't believe this one either until I actual see it.
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is being promoted, an apparent attempt to promote yet another version of the
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or other search engines if they want to find something on the internet.
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may be justified, but is an editorial matter for the talk page. --
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I don't think that is a valid reason for having a separate entry:
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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There is already an article devoted to the technology, see
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Low Emissions Technology Demonstration Fund (LETDF)
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
Majorly
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12:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Ciudad Real Torre Solar
Ciudad Real Torre Solar
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Ciudad Real Torre Solar
Talk:Solar updraft tower
Talk:Energy tower (downdraft)
Solar Tower
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Ciudad Real Torre Solar
Solar Tower
JdH
13:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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