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addition to posting in these threads, I also looked for and added references to the articles in question, which means the addition of different references to the respective articles. I just see nothing productive from making such a point as it has nothing to do with the merits of the article under discussion. Thus, my contribution here goes beyond my comments in defense of the articles as I also personally worked a bit to improve the articles in question. My feeling is that this stub is expandable and improveable and I began some steps in that direction. I wouldn't lose sleep over a merge and redirect that retains the edit history for when additional sources turn up, which I believe is likely given that a third film is still coming out. Considering that we will have had three films, two novels, and even a video game, the main characters will have coverage in a wide variety of media and these articles serve as a means of navigating to those different media. Best, --
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consensus. There is no firm precedent for deletion either, but in this particular case recent AfDs concerning other characters in this franchise closed as merge and redirect and given the suggestion above about merging to a character list, I see no reason why that wouldn't be a good idea. We know from the references that have been presented the character is not made up, that he appears in a mainstream theatrical film and novelization of that film and that reviews in even multiple languages acknowledge this character, i.e. it is not merely a case of some anonymous Girl 3 or something in the credits. If we keep this verifiable content in some manner, then we augment our coverage of this still growing franchise (a third film is on route), so it isn't as if the notability is decreasing for these characters either. I see no benefit to the project with outright deletion here. Sincerely, --
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If you check the wording, it is not "exactly" the same as Michael is the more notable character thus far in the franchise, but the coverage is non-trivial enough for Alexander in multiple secondary sources that the character merits inclusion on our project in some manner, whether it is to be kept and
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for deletion on precedent. Nor is this a speedy deletion candidate, so whether it is "made up" is not in question. Whether it is of "benefit to the project" to delete stubs on fictional characters is outwith the scope of this deletion discussion, but it is certainly commonplace and thus is not out of
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due to lack of notability. The article is not salvageable... the three references of the four in this present revision only repeat what is shown by the primary sources. Just because secondary sources repeat the basic information does not make the figure notable. The fourth reference about how the
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It is strange to point out the style of one editor's argument when it is opposite of what you agree with while disregarding that others who agree with you took the same approach to these discussions on these particular characters, but it's not really a fair accusation of copying and pasting when in
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If you believe other editors should not be copy-pasting rationales, please bring that to the attention of the editor(s) in question. "Multiple reviews commenting on the character" have not been found - only incidental mentions of him in the course of discussion of the film plot, which is "trivial
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or does it only matter when it is someone who disagrees with you? Look through the sources. I would say multiple reviews commenting on the character who appears in both a film and novelization is not trivial and given the precedent of merging even minor characters I cannot imagine why that would
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You're free to work on whatever you like, but that doesn't change the fundamentals of our notability requirements, which are predicated on the existence of non-trivial coverage in multiple secondary sources. Furthermore, there is nothing untoward in me pointing out that what would appear at first
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Well, don't use a "copy and paste keep rationale" ad hominem approach against me when not taking issue with those on your side of the discussion who do the same. I am happy to discuss with editors, but not to entertain hypocrisy. And taking an ad hominem approach does nothing to build toward a
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glance to be a well-considered argument pertaining directly to this article had in fact been copied directly from another AfD with the names swapped - an easy way to avoid this in future is to not do so, and if it reflects badly on the arguments of other too then that's fine with me.
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coverage" as we define it. And there is no firm precedent in merging minor characters, as you should well know from your participation in dozens or hundreds of AfDs on similar subjects which ended with a straight deletion.
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Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing another. I am not copy-pasting rationales, so I am not a hypocrite. You're right that there is no firm precedent for deletion either, but I did not
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Does not establish notability through significant coverage of real world context in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject.
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expanded on as I believe possible or even if someone wanted to make a reasonable case for a merge and redirect for now. Sincerely, --
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Yes, I checked better and this is a notable character in the film. It plays a centric role. I changed the text above. --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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due to significant non-trivial coverage in independent reliable secondary sources (see
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coverage; it is merely an addition to play up this figure as if he is notable. —
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Hi! Just as a quick clarification, it is not a show, but a film
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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novel that this notable character appears in. Sincerely, --
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We are underway in creating a characters' article. Check
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Thanks! Sincerely, -- 306:Copy-paste keep rationale 138:through the inclusion of 48:Underworld (film series) 640:Please do not modify it. 174:Underworld (film series) 152:unnecessary plot details 136:Underworld (film series) 32:Please do not modify it. 140:real world information 220:and delete category. 218:Underworld characters 553:Merge & Redirect 321:Hmm... Why not note 607:Underworld (series) 564: 74:Alexander Corvinus 66:Alexander Corvinus 44:The result was 557: 549: 535: 523: 509: 148:original research 655: 642: 618: 563: 560: 536: 526: 510: 500: 296:. 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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
Underworld (film series)
MBisanz
05:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Alexander Corvinus
Alexander Corvinus
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
notability
Underworld (film series)
real world information
reliable, third party sources
original research
unnecessary plot details
TTN
talk
23:53, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Underworld (film series)
WP:FICT
Mgm

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