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258:- In the last few months the HongQiGong, me (Teji), and to a lesser extent Computer1200 have contributed the most to the discussion and editing of this page. Despite intense differences of opinion we have actually made some minor progress. It is easy to come into the article (or back to after a year) and say "delete." But I encourage those for deletion, but especially those who want to keep the article to review the following discussion sections (as consensus on the first few paragraphs has been reached.) Furthermore, the main problems with the article is the use of student opinion pages and internet forums as support for outlandish begging-the-question statements like "Asian fetish as a cause of crime." Half of the article (or more) consists of these unattributable and unsubstantiated statements. To appease Hong, I recommended creating a separate section called "Commentary, Opinions, and Activism" to address the issues to which he is so attached. With support, we can move the questionable material into that section, or remove it altogether. Most importantly is the support of the editors on this page. Please help the article by supporting and enforcing my restructuring effort, or at least the effort to remove questionable material. 297:
In general, removing the opinions would remove any need to balance them or verify them. Most of them are based on student opinion pages, forums, and are generally unrelated, unreliable, and unsubstantiated. Please make support the effort to remove or restructure. With more support, this article
135:. In my opinion, the title alone makes it inherently POV and unsalvageable. The result of the previous deletion discussion was "keep and cleanup," but, as usual, the latter part hasn't happened – and it's clear to me that it never will. The problems with 311:
The extensive coverage given to Hwang's theories clearly violate the undue weight provision of NPOV. This is a marginal scholar, and yet his views are about the only ones given any room in the article.
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per EliminatorJR and Maxamegalon. I recommend using higher forms of dispute resolution if necessary. (I think there was an RfC at some point, but no arbitration cases.) --
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and instead or removing dubious material, preferably source it or reword it in a neutral way, though it does seem that has been tried without much success so far
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are just too severe. It's been tagged for cleanup for nearly a year, but is actually worse now that it was then. It's time to pull the plug.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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I'll try to do that when I get a chance, but I have the feeling it will be reverted in minutes.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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AfD is not for solving the problems listed in the nomination.
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per consensus. Afd is not the place for resolving disputes.
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Yes, it's badly written, of dubious POV, and a magnet for
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but trim down to its very core. Absurd article. --
123:This article is utterly atrocious, full of uncited 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 374:is now back, adding Nazi rubbish to the article. 423:). No further edits should be made to this page. 8: 266:] - Initiation of rewriting, first paragraph 244:AfD is not for solving scientific disputes. 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 24: 1: 440: 406:07:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC) 392:20:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC) 363:13:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC) 351:04:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC) 330:01:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC) 303:23:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC) 290:] - Complaint about racism 249:20:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC) 237:05:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC) 217:02:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC) 195:01:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC) 183:00:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC) 157:22:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC) 59:06:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC) 416:Please do not modify it. 358:per all of the above. -- 32:Please do not modify it. 133:continuous edit warring 372:Asian Fetish vandal 298:can be cleaned up. 389: 377:Crotalus horridus 327: 315:Crotalus horridus 214: 202:Crotalus horridus 154: 142:Crotalus horridus 137:article ownership 129:original research 431: 418: 379: 317: 204: 177: 174: 144: 114: 96: 34: 439: 438: 434: 433: 432: 430: 429: 428: 427: 421:deletion review 414: 370:Oh, goody. The 175: 172: 87: 71: 68: 44:The result was 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 437: 435: 426: 425: 409: 408: 394: 390: 365: 353: 343:Idont Havaname 335: 334: 333: 332: 328: 306: 305: 294: 293: 292: 291: 287: 283: 279: 275: 271: 267: 260: 259: 252: 251: 246:80.138.172.213 239: 221: 220: 219: 215: 185: 155: 121: 120: 67: 62: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 436: 424: 422: 417: 411: 410: 407: 404: 403: 398: 395: 393: 387: 383: 378: 375: 373: 369: 366: 364: 361: 357: 354: 352: 348: 344: 340: 337: 336: 331: 325: 321: 316: 313: 310: 309: 308: 307: 304: 301: 296: 295: 289: 288: 285: 284: 281: 280: 277: 276: 273: 272: 269: 268: 265: 264: 263: 262: 261: 257: 254: 253: 250: 247: 243: 240: 238: 235: 232: 229: 225: 222: 218: 212: 208: 203: 200: 198: 197: 196: 193: 189: 186: 184: 181: 180: 178: 168: 164: 161: 160: 159: 158: 152: 148: 143: 140: 138: 134: 130: 126: 118: 112: 108: 104: 100: 95: 91: 86: 82: 78: 74: 70: 69: 66: 63: 61: 60: 57: 54: 52: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 415: 412: 400: 396: 367: 355: 338: 255: 241: 223: 187: 170: 162: 122: 73:Asian fetish 65:Asian fetish 50: 45: 43: 31: 28: 360:Candy-Panda 173:Eliminator 386:CONTRIBS 324:CONTRIBS 211:CONTRIBS 151:CONTRIBS 117:View log 368:Comment 231:megalon 90:protect 85:history 167:WP:OWN 131:, and 94:delete 192:Haemo 111:views 103:watch 99:links 16:< 397:Keep 382:TALK 356:Keep 347:Talk 339:Keep 320:TALK 300:Teji 256:Keep 242:Keep 234:2000 228:Maxa 224:Keep 207:TALK 188:Keep 163:Keep 147:TALK 107:logs 81:talk 77:edit 56:ceNT 46:Keep 402:DGG 125:POV 115:– ( 384:• 349:) 322:• 209:• 176:JR 149:• 127:, 109:| 105:| 101:| 97:| 92:| 88:| 83:| 79:| 53:ea 388:) 380:( 345:( 326:) 318:( 213:) 205:( 153:) 145:( 119:) 113:) 75:( 51:P

Index

Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Pea
ceNT
06:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Asian fetish
Asian fetish
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
POV
original research
continuous edit warring
article ownership
Crotalus horridus
TALK
CONTRIBS
22:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
WP:OWN
EliminatorJR

00:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Haemo

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