407:: The referencing is far from being wiki featured article status. All there is, is "see also" section at the bottom. A quick glance at those "reference" appear to be extremely relevant and have most of the information from this article. The problem I believe that Lijnema brings, I believe is not that the Article should be delete because of Original Research because he hasn't take the time to verify the information. And who would... it's a mess non-properly referenced , as per
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since it describe even better the actions that are considered griefing, for example in my game server we have this list: Leeching, Kill
Stealing, Teamkilling, Stealing dropped items, Spawncamping, Suiciding. In short terms saying that griefing is forbidden is easy to make sure that you cover any lame action that a player could do.
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I disagree, an article has to provide sources. Just look at the three "criteria", where did they come from? Google says that they're not to be found anywhere else. I really think the article needs to be deleted or completely brought down to a stub. I'm not contesting the existance of the term, it's
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This artice is very useful to me and I'm linking to it from my website for all the players of my game server to know what's against the rules. If you are going to merge it in the page with the list of slang, make sure that there is griefing and not only griefer. I still suggest to keep this page
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material. Hence I understand the nomination. I however, do not accept it, as I previously voted keep. That means I believe that with a little work, a party of interest to the article should add the references. I think AfD should have to categories of deletion. I don't think the article should be
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Although the three criteria are not so clearly displayed, an astute reader can identify all requirements. The paper does seem to suggest there are more but I believe that some are clearly condensed. It needed a some better external sources referenced. I've taken the liberty of supporting the
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It may be neologism by hard and fast criteria, but the fact of the matter is that
Knowledge allows things to be documented more quickly than an encyclopedia. This means that neologism is likely to creep in. That said, 'griefer' and 'griefing' are important terms used in the context of
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original reaserch. This article has a number of citations that source a number of its statements; and, as just shown by RiseRobotRise, the potential for more citations exists. The article admittedly needs trimming to remove OR, but it needs fixing, not deletion.
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The article is original reseearch but the term is a commonly used term among gamers. I would support if the article were changed to a stub with references and focused on what different companies do to try and get rid of "griefers". One such example is
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This is a non-noteworthy neologism. If it belongs anywere, it should be in some dictionary of computer slang terms. Perhaps some brief mention of the term in a larger article about online gaming might be warranted but not as a stand-along article.
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is used on the internet. Troll is as much of a neologism as
Griefer. If we delete griefer, lets delete troll too. And while everyone is tagging everything for deletion, I wonder if we shouldn't have people wandering around tagging things to be
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I see several references kicking around in there that indicate this term has been out there, and it appears to be more than just a dicdef thanks to some of the historical bits. But, I'm torn as to whether it's really notable on its own.
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Seems to be a newer but notable slang term...but only in certain circles. I personally don't have a problem with it. The sources seem legit, and the term seems notable...but
Knowledge will survive without it.
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you can find alot of information yourselves from this search. Surely, we can look beyond what we see as original research, and verify the information ourselves.
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Please. The recent incident on Second Life involving Anshe Chung being attacked by griefers was reported on internationally. We need this article.
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