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website and from an interview i did with them. I noticed some of the reasons why this was not worthy of an entry "No notable labels or tours" come on - that really is BS. DIY bands do not involve themselves with major labels or major tours. They have completed two euro tours and touring america next year. If you're truly a fan of independent music, you would KNOW how much work goes into touring, and releasing records. To say none of that is notable is a huge disrespect to bands, and DIY music. I have noticed so many bands on this site that have no notable reason for having a page, yet do have a page. I feel that this deletion has more to do with deletionists on a power trip, who don't like or know a band and therefor delete pages that don't fall into their field of what is deemed worthy. This undeadwarrior guy, using his wiki project on black metal as a reason for deleting fall efrafa- congratulations, you know a lot about black metal, but do you know anything about fall of efrafa, who take influence from ambient folk black metal? does this mean youll delete wolves in the throne room, velnias and agalloch's pages next? Its a shame, because i wished to contribute other bands and items to wiki, and now feel that there really isn't any point.
352:--I agree with Warrior and Baz. (And it is a WHOLE lot of words in that article.) When notability is not only achieved but also established (Grilledvegetables, that's the point of an encyclopedia--the dispersal of accepted and verifiable knowledge), then this article may return. Baz, I didn't see any tunes on the band's Myspace--burn me a copy when you get those CDs in, will you? ;) 224:
warrants deletion. The whole entire point of wikipedia is to learn, and the simple fact is that if this page gets deleted,someone else will put it back up. This band have completed noteworthy tours, two successful albums and have a very interesting message to forward. please do not delete this page simply because you have the power to do so.
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I do not think that the reasons for deleting my entry are substantial enough. The entry is well written, points to references of a band with a large underground fanbase, with a notable and interesting concept. I do not think that just because this band is not known to you as individuals that this
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i am not in any way associated with the band, and i cannot see how you could see wikipedia as free advertising for a band! its an online encyclopedia. Im angry because i wrote a lot of this article because i felt that they deserved a decent online description. A lot was borrowed from the bands
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I don't think anyone above has suggested the article is deleted simply because they have not heard of the band; the issue revolves around notability as established through reliable sources. These sources have not (yet) been provided, possibly because they do not exist. Knowledge (XXG), as an
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encyclopedia, is obviously a repository of information, but its purpose does not include free advertising for any old band that fancies having a page on here. Finally, your suggestion that someone would just put the page back up is on shakey ground; replaced content would be
303:; Fall of Efrafa, at present and without further sourcing, do not. It's nothing to do with not liking them... as I stated above, they sound really interesting and I have just ordered both of their albums. They are simply not notable by Knowledge (XXG) standards. 291:. If a band doesn't pass those (pretty lenient) conditions, then they shouldn't have an article on Knowledge (XXG). If a band refuses to do major interviews, sign to a notable label, do touring that is covered significantly by reliable sources, they are 328: 120: 287:
I think it's a real shame you feel that way, as we always need new editors for Knowledge (XXG). However, there's a few things you need to bear in mind; firstly, please read
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Pains me to say it, as the band sounds really interesting, but no, not notable; I'd tidied the article up but couldn't find any reliable sources for it.
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guidelines. The listed interviews aren't independent sources (one of them specifically state that they encourage bands to request reviews). -
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to prevent its re-creation until the band does something of note. With that, I am going to order some Fall of Efrafa CDs :)
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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and have no place here. Regarding your specific reference to the nominator, tread carefully and read
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
139:. No notable label. No big tours. The article is full of 115: 104: 100: 96: 329:list of Living people-related deletion discussions 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 379:). No further edits should be made to this page. 8: 167:list of Music-related deletion discussions 327:: This debate has been included in the 165:: This debate has been included in the 143:. The genre's are even questionable. 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 24: 259:and eventually the page would be 1: 362:15:38, 21 November 2008 (UTC) 344:19:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC) 313:13:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC) 273:14:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC) 245:14:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC) 219:09:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC) 202:08:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC) 190:Labels aren't notable, fails 182:07:15, 17 November 2008 (UTC) 156:07:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC) 57:03:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC) 396: 372:Please do not modify it. 127:Non notable band. Fails 32:Please do not modify it. 293:non-notable by choice 44:The result was 346: 332: 248: 233:Grilledvegetables 231:comment added by 184: 170: 387: 374: 333: 323: 257:speedily deleted 247: 225: 171: 161: 118: 112: 94: 53: 34: 395: 394: 390: 389: 388: 386: 385: 384: 383: 377:deletion review 370: 226: 114: 85: 69: 66: 51: 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 393: 391: 382: 381: 365: 364: 347: 321: 320: 319: 318: 317: 316: 315: 221: 204: 185: 174:Undead Warrior 148:Undead Warrior 125: 124: 71:Fall of Efrafa 65: 63:Fall of Efrafa 60: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 392: 380: 378: 373: 367: 366: 363: 359: 355: 351: 348: 345: 341: 337: 330: 326: 322: 314: 310: 306: 305:Blackmetalbaz 302: 298: 294: 290: 286: 283: 282: 279: 276: 275: 274: 270: 266: 265:Blackmetalbaz 262: 258: 253: 250: 249: 246: 242: 238: 234: 230: 222: 220: 216: 212: 211:Blackmetalbaz 208: 205: 203: 200: 197: 193: 189: 186: 183: 179: 175: 168: 164: 160: 159: 158: 157: 153: 149: 146: 142: 138: 134: 130: 122: 117: 110: 106: 102: 98: 93: 89: 84: 80: 76: 72: 68: 67: 64: 61: 59: 58: 55: 54: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 371: 368: 349: 324: 292: 284: 277: 251: 206: 187: 162: 144: 126: 49: 45: 43: 31: 28: 227:—Preceding 336:Raven1977 301:WP:MUSIC 297:WP:CIVIL 289:WP:MUSIC 241:contribs 229:unsigned 192:WP:MUSIC 129:WP:MUSIC 121:View log 285:Comment 278:Comment 252:Comment 88:protect 83:history 52:MBisanz 354:Drmies 350:Delete 261:salted 207:Delete 188:Delete 145:Delete 135:, and 116:delete 92:delete 46:delete 133:WP:RS 119:) – ( 109:views 101:watch 97:links 16:< 358:talk 340:talk 325:Note 309:talk 269:talk 237:talk 215:talk 178:talk 163:Note 152:talk 137:WP:N 105:logs 79:talk 75:edit 334:-- 331:. 196:Mgm 172:-- 169:. 360:) 342:) 311:) 271:) 243:) 239:• 217:) 180:) 154:) 141:OR 131:, 107:| 103:| 99:| 95:| 90:| 86:| 81:| 77:| 48:. 356:( 338:( 307:( 267:( 235:( 213:( 198:| 176:( 150:( 123:) 113:( 111:) 73:(

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03:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
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