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We shouldn't keep this article merely because of "coverage" and commentary. The story has barely advanced from the simple act of egging. There have been barely any developments. If Anning is charged (which I think is unlikely), then that belongs at his page. Broader issues like white supremacy should
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If there is a criminal charge against Anning, that belongs on his article. If there were criminal charges against "egg boy", that is trivial. We should not maintain an article on the basis that it might become noteworthy at some point. It might turn out that the egg contained VX nerve gas and the
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He is a very minor politician: elected because of a vacancy and then disowned by his own party, and then the other one he joined, and rejected by others. There is not much you can say about the egging (was the egg fresh?), and it can be adequately dealt with in his article, which isn't very
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This belongs as a subsection of the Fraser Anning article, not an independent article. However, the final decision should be put off until it is clear whether or not criminal charges will result from the incident, since those would make it more noteworthy.
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this morning that his face was blanked out, and he was said to be 17 years old. Charges may still be laid against him, and he would be considered a child for legal purposes. Identifying him could then be illegal and result in prosecution for
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