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386:. I note that the Japanese article, the one with a standing request to translate, has actual references, which is more than many ja.wiki articles. This creates the very strong presumption that reliable sources exist discussing this publisher term of art -- one that, because of adoption by English manga publishers is also becoming a term of art in the Anglosphere (though not as much as shounen or shoujo). — 245:
notice the request that more material be translated from the Japanese article. There is no deadline for Knowledge articles, and given how much material is in the Japanese article, I'd say that's a good indication that this article needs more time to be translated. I could see it being renamed (based on the Japanese article),but not deleted. ···
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as the term is notable in Japan (though more for "kodomomuke anime" instead), and there are at least 19 different interwiki links to articles in other languages. While most of them are stubs, this lends itself to indicating the term is notable and worthy of an article. Also, you may apparently didn't
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Actually, the Japanese article is about children's anime. And no, we aren't missing the point. The subject is notable in Japan, and therefore notable here, too. Notability does not disappear just because the language of the encyclopedia changes. As Farix indicated, the scope of the ENglish Knowledge
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If there are reliable source documenting the subject and the use of the term, then an article is fully warranted. Just because it is a non-English term or subject does not disqualify it for inclusion in Knowledge. While this is an English language Knowledge, that does not mean that the scope of our
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By your definition Shonen and Shojo are not notable terms in english (within the anime fanbase yes but not in the wider language), you certainly won't find then in an english dictionary. The question is if they are notable enough within the context of having their own article - thats a completely
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on the evidence presented its a genre, and this is the recognized term for it. Though I do take Boffob's view into account. it seems reasonable to me that particularly stylized types of a national literature would have a distinctive name.
465:- my main issue is the lack of sources. How do we know it's a recognized term and that it's separate enough from other cultures to warrant being out of children's lit, or why this tiny amount of material coudln't be included in 423:
to discuss the name and concept of children literature in French speaking countries, and repeat the same for all cultures. The name changes depending on the language, but the subject is essentially the
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Erk, yeah, I knew that but forgot. My point still stands though. The English article is not addressing the same subject matter as the Japanese one. Just like how the Japanese articles on
211:? Not notable words in the english language, but important in the context of anime and manga articles. As is common, my suggestion is to improve the article rather then delete it 122: 514:. Kodomo manga is an established style of manga, with differences vs. typical western kids' books and vs. adult manga, . The topic of the article is comparable to 180: 260:". There is a major difference is this specificity, and the article shows absolutely no reason to be split off from a more general article such as 58: 256:
You guys are missing the point. The Japanese article is literally on "children's comics". The English article is on "children's comics
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Well, kodomo and shoujo aren't genres, they're demographic labels -- descriptive of intended audience, not of content. —
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Kodomo manga/anime is not a notable term in English. The article is a stubborn attempt to needlessly conform with the
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Okay, but that's a cleanup issue, not a reason for deletion. You're using the wrong forum here. ···
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the Japanese Knowledge. And of course it's used in Japan, it's their translation of "children".--
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Its unsourced, but on what basis do you say its not a term widely used in Japan for the genre?
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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of the rest of the world to merit a distinction. Suggest turning it into a redirect to
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articles. In reality, Japanese comics aimed at children aren't different enough from
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Except the way to clean it up is to delete it, because it's redundant.--
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By my basis "kodomo" isn't notable in the English fanbase either.--
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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articles). Might as well write an English article titled
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doesn't have a list of genres, and a list or article
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topics are limited to just the English language. --
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
L'Aquatique
19:12, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Kodomo manga
Kodomo manga
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
shōnen
shōjo
children's literature
Children's literature
Remurmur
talk
16:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
DGG
talk
16:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
isn't
Remurmur
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