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and the specific content therein. Your statement on the "need" to move such articles to the bin is opinion only. The same is true for your "fandals" statement. For an album such as this, extra work is created for an Admin in deleting the article, and then a few weeks later there will be even more work for an Admin when someone requests that the album article be released from deletion purgatory. ---
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process. We have different opinions on significant coverage and whether it is too soon for this album to have an article. So be it. If consensus does not turn out to your liking, or mine, neither one of us ever has to look at the article again. And thank you for fixing my use of bullets even though I
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I agree with that logic if a newly-announced album has a vague release date months or years in the future (a problem in rap/R&B that I have discussed several times over at the Albums Project). But this album is solidly confirmed and has reliable media coverage of its obvious near-future existence
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No, I'm not denying that they exist today. Look at the talk page. as that was the state of the sources at the time. Also, while sources may exist, most are either not reliable or are ROUTINE. The real problem is that we have too many fandals creating articles for works before they're notable. Many
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First, don't "fix" my responses. The indenting was correct using bullets. The album is not solidly confirmed. All we know is that it will be released an that it has songs. We have some sources about the songs. As for admins, you've missed the discussion. It was a redirect but an editor who has not
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per WP:PRETTYSOON, which I admit does not actually exist. This article has cover art, a release date, a track listing and credits, all sourced. This is clearly an album that will be out pretty soon, and the fact that the AfD has been relisted twice means that it's now even sooner than it was when
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per Toughpigs. Cover art and track listing are strong indications that a body of work will be released. I'm confident that more reliable source will become available in the upcoming weeks. If the album didn't have a release date, cover art and track list, I'd have #voted for delete.
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etc. Maybe it won't get released, maybe it won't get any coverage. We are not here to promote stuff that doesn't exist yet. Or if you think we should, please show how it meets NMUSIC, or other policies. Which can of course be changed if new consensus is that such articles are ok.
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Nor am I interested in arguing with you. We need to nip articles that created with the hopes that the album will be notable some day from being created prematurely. We only allow the creation of articles in mainspace that are notable now. Draft space may be used for the rest.
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Previously, I'd adopted a pragmatic approach, to avoid the work of deleting an article that is likely to be restored in a couple of weeks. But I've flipped my vote based on Piotr Konieczny's arguments. Either way, can an admin please stop this AfD dragging out any further?
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participated here continued to restore it assuming that the brief mentions (that you too seem to think are substantial, going so far as accusing me of not reading all the way to the bottom of short articles) constitute significant coverage.
212: 255:, or does not discuss the album (but discusses that that band is working on music) and so delete and salt until we have enough to meet the criteria. For an analysis of the current sources, see the album's talk page. 52:. There does not appear to be a serious dispute that this album exists; it may not have been released yet, but has received coverage, likely beyond what is included in the article itself to this date. 334:
I agree, but the editor who created the article and continues to remove the redirect doesn't seem to understand that. I would be willing to withdraw if we could get a six-week lock on the redirect.
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Agree with a draft. Maybe a lot of things (who know what's happening with the economy or virus containment). It is TOOSOON. And again, to an admin, close this soon. It's carried on too long.
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I just want to remind everyone who has sided with keep despite a currently complete lack of sources that this is not now how create articles on Knowledge.
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do become notable at some point, but we don't monitor for this adequately. We need to quickly move articles that are TOOSOON to the bin to avoid this.
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this discussion started. Deleting it and then re-creating it five weeks later is a waste of time, and so is arguing about it. --
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only if the creating user can find better and more specific news coverage about the album. If not, then redirect to
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I am not interested in arguing with you point by point and am only trying to add my impressions to the
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I'm seeing several sources from a Google search that are not used on the article itself; for example,
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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