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and the specific content therein. Your statement on the "need" to move such articles to the bin is opinion only. The same is true for your "fandals" statement. For an album such as this, extra work is created for an Admin in deleting the article, and then a few weeks later there will be even more work for an Admin when someone requests that the album article be released from deletion purgatory. ---
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No, I'm not denying that they exist today. Look at the talk page. as that was the state of the sources at the time. Also, while sources may exist, most are either not reliable or are ROUTINE. The real problem is that we have too many fandals creating articles for works before they're notable. Many
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First, don't "fix" my responses. The indenting was correct using bullets. The album is not solidly confirmed. All we know is that it will be released an that it has songs. We have some sources about the songs. As for admins, you've missed the discussion. It was a redirect but an editor who has not
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