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340:. The article is poorly written and needs a name change, but it clearly has notability as the highest appointed position in the Baha'i Faith, with less than 100 people worldwide. Each person has jurisdiction over several states or countries. As individuals they probably don't deserve notability for their own articles, but the role is covered in any overview of the religion's administrative structure. For example, Peter Smith's 561:. I just finished re-writing the page. I count 8 reliable sources (there are variations from the same authors, so really 6) that independently cover the Baha'i administration and all give coverage to the Boards of Counsellors with different depth. There may be more that could be added but I think it's notability is clear anyway. 478:
As Furius said none of the sources are Baha'i sources. The main article about the Baha'i faith in Iranica Encyclopedia, which is a very credible tertiary source on topics related to Iran, defines what the institution of the counsellors is and so does the Cambridge book. The institution is such an
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Thanks for your work. This looks much better. A minor point: I think it is a bit weird for the lead to start by defining "Continental Counsellors" rather than the "Institution of the Counsellors" - I don't know whether the best solution to that is re-writing the lead or moving the article to
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There are several references in the bibliography on the page and this discussion has brought up several more. We have non-Bahai sources, but I don't think sources totally independent from the whole
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mentions continental counselors as a two-paragraph overview of "Organization". I challenge someone to find a source covering Baha'i administration that doesn't mention the continental counselors.
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journal discusses it as well. Most of the other books and journals look to be tied to the religion itself, so I don't know how much those help to establish the notability.
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None of Tarikhejtemai's sources are Baha'i. I don't think "trivial mentions." Nor are they trivial mentions: the Iranica Encyclopedia gives them a full paragraph;
502:. I'm not going to vote in this one, because this article doesn't use enough inline citations and instead uses a long list of books, which is very hard to 106: 91: 213: 360:(2009), both have entries for Continental Boards of Counsellors on pages 110-111 and 107-108, respectively; Britannica's very brief article 52:. Add in a significant article improvement in the 14 days this was open and we will be unlikely to reach a consensus with a further relist. 180: 123: 596: 573: 551: 521: 488: 473: 455: 433: 404: 376: 332: 311: 286: 266: 246: 174: 61: 307: 295: 86: 79: 17: 479:
important and integral part of the Baha'i faith that most academic works that deal with the Baha'i faith in detail cover it.
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There are many academic sources that cover the topic, several were added to the article yesterday. Here are a few more:
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are necessary to establish notability - there are thousands of wiki articles that rely wholly or in large part on the
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Historical Dictionaries of religions, Philosophies, and Movements
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
587:, but you're surely best-placed to make a decision on that. 464:(not a Baha'i source) deals with them on multiple pages. 294:
A lot of mentions in books, including this book on the
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