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215:"Knowledge (XXG)'s list is an invaluable source of information, especially considering the regional nature of most epithets. Web readers should not be forced to troll the internet searching random, nefarious web sites in search of racial understanding." Wow how great, and I'm starting to wonder if just personal opinnion was involved in deleting along with political correctness.
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