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The book discusses secondary creation in the context of Japan. The book notes: "In contrast, what is called “secondary creation” (niji sōsaku 二次創作), often seen in YouTube and other video sharing sites, has a more rigid distinction between the original and copies. For example, Pikotaro's original Pen
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Translate: "Of course, it is the so-called "secondary creation" (similar to the derivative works in English) of the so-called "secondary creation" (similar to the English derivative works) that is represented by Zhou Xingchi, which includes Film", or "adapted lyrics". Stephen Chow's
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could have affected the legality of secondary creations. Some commentators believed the proposed law would have restricted the freedom of expression and creation with respect to secondary creations. But the article notes that a secondary creation that is considered a parody, satire, pastiche,
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the incorrect mention of "music sampling" (which was added as part of the incorrect page move). I added information about how the topic refers to "secondary creations" and "derivative works". The article can be improved as well as expanded with the sources I found. But it does not need to be
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I understand the page's history, but a read through of the article is still disjointed and confusing. It's like trying to document the history of a country through 10 unrelated sentences or something - it fails to convey any real message. And it's a very short article on a rather bizarre
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Wikiproject didn't even really know where to begin...
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nonsensical culture can be innocuous or purely funny, absurd and vulgar (such as the "super sticky glue" in "Tricky Expert"), or it can be conscious political or social satire (such as the "domestic
Lingling Paint" China's "great" invention of "solar flashlight")."
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rewritten to be retained in mainspace since the article accurately reflects the sources. It accurately discusses the history of the secondary creations of music in Hong Kong and the legality of the secondary creations. Here are two existing sources in the article:
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Pineapple Apple Pen (PPAP) music video, which was released on August 25, 2016 on YouTube and went viral soon after, led to a proliferation of copies, but they remain parodies, hence the process is called secondary creation."
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The book notes: "當然, 把周星馳代表的那種離經叛道、脫繮野馬式的無厘頭文化繼續發揚光大的, 是網絡中林林總總的所謂「二次創作」(類似英語中的 derivative works), 其中包括「改圖」、「改片」、或「改編歌詞」。周星馳的無厘頭文化可以是無傷大雅或純粹搞笑的荒謬及粗俗(如《整蠱專家》中的「超級戇膠膠」), 亦可以是有意識的政治或社會諷刺 (如《國產凌凌漆》的中國「偉大」發明「太陽能電筒」)。
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as although the article can be improved, the article content when viewed through the lens of "secondary creations" or "derivative works" makes sense to me and accurately reflects the sources I reviewed.
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Nakajima, Seio (2020). "The sociability of
Millennials in cyberspace: A comparative analysis of barrage subtitling in Nico Nico Douga and Bilibili". In Frangville, Vanessa; Gaffric, Gwennaël (eds.).
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article to discuss the history of secondary creations of music in Hong Kong. The second source, a commentary on secondary creations, discuss the same topic as the sources I have presented.
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caricature or commentary, would not be considered copyright infringement under the bill. The "Effects" section further discusses the copyright implications of secondary creations.
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