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269:- The legitimate problem is that the article is written in too much of an in-universe style. (I'm surprised that it didn't get tagged as such when Gavin started adding templates to it.) At any rate, we should err on the side of keeping stuff if it's "borderline" rather than erring on the side of deleting it. 329:
No, you misunderstand me. When I said that the information in the article was culled from the official timeline, I meant it literally. FASA produced and published actual timelines of key events in the Shadowrun canon. In fact, until I found and started editing the page, it was a verbatium copy of one
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of original research. You need to come to a complete halt with AFDs until you actually understand the policies. At any rate, as I already stated, there has been about a year's worth of work done on the article since it was a plagiarised copy of official material.
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with the actual policy. Synthesis is taking sources and making a conclusion from them that is not made by any of the sources, while plagiarism is using material without crediting its source.
454:"Original research based on original research" wouldn't be original, now, would it? I don't think this article does meet WP's notability criteria, but I can't vote for the nomination. 228:
It's not original research as there have been several time lines produced by Shadowrun's various publishers, from which the data on that page is culled. I'll add references to the page.
155: 125: 442:-- if you do just what you said, you haven't "forked" anything, just summarized an aspect of a work, and you haven't introduced a point of view anywhere. 334:, but OR isn't even on the map here. It cannot possibly be OR, because until about a year ago, it was a word for word copy of the primary source. 98: 93: 102: 61: 85: 17: 302: 298: 512: 55: 36: 494: 482: 470: 458: 446: 407: 390: 362: 338: 317: 313:. For without secondary sources, it cannot be proven timelines of fictional events are not original research. -- 289: 273: 257: 244: 232: 220: 162: 144: 67: 511:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
89: 354:? If so then is that not an admission that the article content is a type of original research refered to as 301:, which is a work of fiction which contains a fictional time line. If I were to create an article entitled " 49: 81: 73: 423:. It's probably overly detailed, and could use more sourcing and a less in-universe style. But it's 436:
It's not original research to state things that can be verified by anyone reading a primary source.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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says, since that would be a perfectly good use of primary sources according to the policy.
467: 240:. It's not a history of the future, it's not fiction, and it's not original research. -- 136:
and just too in universe to be classed as anything other than original research based on
305:", and then to list all the dates and events in my own words, that would effectively be 443: 404: 387: 335: 286: 241: 229: 491: 383: 355: 431: 427: 375: 306: 173: 137: 119: 351: 270: 479: 254: 466:- as per many above and timelines are encyclopedic and useful tools. 505:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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This history of the future is litterally unfinished, but also
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Abandon this AFD and get someone else to relist it properly
253:"Not fiction"? I'd better re-write my history essay. :-) 330:
of them. I could understand criticising the article for
115: 111: 107: 430:. Your example shows that you don't understand what 297:This is an interesting question. Take for instance 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 515:). No further edits should be made to this page. 378:, and I think you're confusing the text in the 8: 478:. This is notable background to the game. 154:: This debate has been included in the 350:So you are saying the article has been 303:Timeline of The Shape of Things to Come 7: 24: 374:. You're still misunderstanding 309:, a type usually refered to as a 156:list of science fiction deletions 438:It also has nothing to do with 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 1: 495:13:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC) 483:11:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC) 471:15:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC) 459:14:51, 2 October 2007 (UTC) 447:14:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC) 408:10:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC) 391:12:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC) 363:07:53, 3 October 2007 (UTC) 339:12:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC) 318:11:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC) 299:The Shape of Things to Come 290:01:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC) 274:00:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC) 258:11:27, 4 October 2007 (UTC) 245:23:53, 1 October 2007 (UTC) 233:23:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC) 221:23:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC) 195:21:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC) 163:21:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC) 145:21:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC) 68:04:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC) 532: 508:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 48:(non-admin closure). 398:Plagiarism is the 82:Shadowrun timeline 74:Shadowrun timeline 428:original research 307:original research 287:Donovan Ravenhull 165: 138:original research 66: 523: 510: 216: 212: 209: 206: 191: 187: 184: 181: 150: 123: 105: 64: 58: 54: 52: 34: 531: 530: 526: 525: 524: 522: 521: 520: 519: 513:deletion review 506: 214: 210: 207: 204: 189: 185: 182: 179: 96: 80: 77: 62: 56: 50: 44:The result was 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 529: 527: 518: 517: 500: 498: 497: 490:- as above. -- 485: 473: 461: 449: 417: 416: 415: 414: 413: 412: 411: 410: 400:exact opposite 393: 366: 365: 342: 341: 321: 320: 292: 276: 263: 262: 261: 260: 248: 247: 235: 223: 166: 130: 129: 76: 71: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 528: 516: 514: 509: 503: 502: 501: 496: 493: 489: 486: 484: 481: 477: 474: 472: 469: 465: 462: 460: 457: 456:Percy Snoodle 453: 450: 448: 445: 441: 437: 433: 429: 426: 422: 419: 418: 409: 406: 401: 397: 394: 392: 389: 385: 381: 377: 373: 370: 369: 368: 367: 364: 361: 360:Gavin Collins 357: 353: 349: 346: 345: 344: 343: 340: 337: 333: 328: 325: 324: 323: 322: 319: 316: 315:Gavin Collins 312: 308: 304: 300: 296: 293: 291: 288: 284: 280: 277: 275: 272: 268: 265: 264: 259: 256: 252: 251: 250: 249: 246: 243: 239: 236: 234: 231: 227: 224: 222: 219: 218: 217: 199: 196: 194: 193: 192: 175: 171: 167: 164: 161: 160:Gavin Collins 157: 153: 149: 148: 147: 146: 143: 142:Gavin Collins 139: 135: 127: 121: 117: 113: 109: 104: 100: 95: 91: 87: 83: 79: 78: 75: 72: 70: 69: 65: 63:Contributions 59: 53: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 507: 504: 499: 487: 475: 463: 451: 435: 424: 420: 399: 395: 379: 371: 347: 326: 311:content fork 294: 278: 266: 237: 225: 202: 201: 197: 177: 176: 169: 168: 151: 131: 45: 43: 31: 28: 468:Web Warlock 352:plagiarised 226:Speedy keep 200:per below. 198:Speedy keep 134:non-notable 440:WP:POVFORK 332:WP:COPYVIO 444:Pinball22 405:EvilCouch 388:Pinball22 356:synthesis 336:EvilCouch 267:Weak Keep 242:UsaSatsui 230:EvilCouch 492:Raistlin 126:View log 396:Comment 380:example 372:Comment 348:Comment 327:Comment 295:Comment 99:protect 94:history 384:WP:SYN 170:Delete 103:delete 432:WP:OR 376:WP:OR 174:WP:OR 120:views 112:watch 108:links 51:Pablo 16:< 488:Keep 476:Keep 464:Keep 421:Keep 358:? -- 279:Keep 271:Rray 238:Keep 172:per 152:Note 116:logs 90:talk 86:edit 57:Talk 46:keep 480:Axl 425:not 382:in 255:Axl 213:Fan 188:Fan 158:.-- 140:.-- 124:– ( 215:24 211:AR 208:SC 205:NA 190:24 186:AR 183:SC 180:NA 118:| 114:| 110:| 106:| 101:| 97:| 92:| 88:| 60:| 128:) 122:) 84:(

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
Pablo
Talk
Contributions
04:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Shadowrun timeline
Shadowrun timeline
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
non-notable
original research
Gavin Collins
21:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
list of science fiction deletions
Gavin Collins
21:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
WP:OR
NASCAR Fan24
NASCAR Fan24
23:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
EvilCouch

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