809:. If there's a trans-related article at which this phrase can be mentioned, and it can be reliably sourced as being in common enough usage and with enough independent, reliable sourcing material about it to write not-just-dictionary-definition (i.e., actually encyclopedic) material about it, then fine, but that doesn't require a merge. There's nothing particularly special about the trivial amount of content presently in the page. If someone thinks otherwise, they can always
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phenomenon to be handled in a totally different article than earlier replacements of "chairman" with "chair", nor (to look at some of the other terms suggested as candidates to be put in such a fork) that proposals like "fronthole" are somehow fundamentally different from earlier, non-trans-related, equally-uncommon feminist proposals like using "germinal" instead of "seminal" ("relating to semen") to mean "influential". ("Womxn", mentioned below, is
923:, per the other merge arguments above. I dispute that it belongs somewhere "more trans-related," as the definition of gender neutral language given in Gender neutrality in English is "language that minimizes assumptions about the social gender or biological sex of people referred to in speech or writing." That is exactly what the term "people who menstruate" does.
662:- somewhere more trans-related. Btw I have changed the blatently wrong initial definition, which contradicted all 3 refs given (from "do not" to "may not")! Actually there might be more to say on this term, which is a double-edged sword that can be used either to include or exclude, or I suppose both. Isn't there a trans project who can be pinged?
570:, per Piotrus. "People who menstruate", "people who are pregnant", etc., are fairly recent terms, arising out of gender neutrality, and somewhat controversial, provoking strong reactions from some. Coverage will only increase and a standalone article may be merited at some point, but for now, certainly appropriate for coverage in
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the page to their draftspace and merge from it, if/when there's a good merge target. I have no objection to draftifying, to serve as the first entry in a "Trans-inclusive language", or "Glossary of trans-related terms", or whatever it might be titled. But again, this is a trivial amount of content,
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English" but into ~"Gender neutrality in English, but trans", I haven't seen any persuasive evidence that replacing "women who menstruate" with "people who menstruate" is somehow a fundamentally different category of
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I don't think there's enough even for that. These are still not great sources. Even if we go by the only source that's somewhat reliable and about this phrase, I don't think a definition in a
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