470:. - We have just had two AFD discussions on this, closed as "no consensus" on 9 May and 6 June. If the closing admin had considered that a further discussion was useful he (or she) would have relisted it. The question is ultimately whether the massacre happened. We have sources cited; how reliable they are I am not qualified to say; and I suspect that no one but an expert in Balkan history is qualified to judge. The appropriate course is thus to keep the article but heavily tagged as "disputed".
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